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Hi to mi fallow Warbosses I will have my first game of 9th editon with a colleague of mine next week. I only played orks once in 8th and my colleague never played any 40k, but since he asked me for advice for his army list I got quite scared, because he plans to bring 2 Keepers of Secrets to a 1200 points Beginner game (he plays a pure Slaanesh Daemons list). While I am not a try hard for winning, I want to give him at leats a bloody nose. Any help is appriciated. My current list: ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Orks) [68 PL, 10CP, 1,200pts] ++ Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Clan Kultur: Blood Axes + No Force Org Slot + Nob on Smasha Squig [4 PL, -2CP, 65pts]: 4. Brutal but Kunnin, Big Choppa, Headwoppa's Killchoppa, Slugga, Smasha Squig Jaws, Stratagem: Big Boss, Stratagem: Extra Gubbinz + HQ + Warboss [5 PL, 105pts]: Attack Squig, Da Killa Klaw, I've Got A Plan, Ladz!, Kombi-skorcha, Power Klaw, 2x Slugga, Stikkbombs, Warlord Weirdboy [4 PL, 70pts]: 2. Warpath, 3. Da Jump, Weirdboy Staff + Troops + Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 115pts] . 8x Beast Snagga Boy: 8x Choppa, 8x Slugga . Beast Snagga Boy w/ Thump Gun: Thump Gun . Beast Snagga Nob: Power Snappa, Slugga Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts] . 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts] . 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster + Elites + Kommandos [8 PL, 125pts]: Bomb Squig, Distraction Grot . Boss Nob: Power Klaw, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 8x Kommando: 8x Choppa, 8x Slugga, 8x Stikkbombs . Kommando w/ Burna: Burna, Stikkbombs Kommandos [8 PL, 60pts] . Boss Nob: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 5x Kommando: 5x Choppa, 5x Slugga, 5x Stikkbombs Nobz [6 PL, 105pts]: Trukk Boyz . Boss Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs + Fast Attack + Rukkatrukk Squigbuggies [5 PL, 90pts] . Rukkatrukk Squigbuggy: Heavy Squig Launcha, Saw Blades, Sawn-off Shotgun, Squig Launcha, Squig Mine, Stikkbombs Squighog Boyz [4 PL, 80pts]: Bomb Squig . 3x Squighog Boy: 3x Saddlegit Weapons, 3x Squighog Jaws, 3x Stikka Warbikers [4 PL, 80pts] . Boss Nob: Big Choppa, 2x Dakkagun . 2x Warbiker w/ Choppa: 2x Choppa, 4x Dakkagun + Heavy Support + Killa Kans [7 PL, 135pts] . Killa Kan: Grotzooka, Kan Klaw . Killa Kan: Kan Klaw, Rokkit Launcha . Killa Kan: Big Shoota, Kan Klaw + Dedicated Transport + Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]: Big Shoota ++ Total: [68 PL, 10CP, 1,200pts] ++ His aproximated list: ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Daemons) [59 PL, 1,200pts] ++ Chaos Allegiance: Slaanesh + HQ + Contorted Epitome [11 PL, 210pts]: Coiled tentacles, Ravaging claws Keeper of Secrets [12 PL, 230pts]: Ritual knife, Smite, Snapping claws, Warlord, Witstealer sword Shalaxi Helbane [13 PL, 240pts]: Living whip, Snapping claws, Soulpiercer + Troops + Daemonettes [4 PL, 95pts]: Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos . Alluress: Piercing claws . 9x Daemonette: 9x Piercing claws Daemonettes [4 PL, 95pts]: Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos . Alluress: Piercing claws . 9x Daemonette: 9x Piercing claws Daemonettes [4 PL, 95pts]: Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos . Alluress: Piercing claws . 9x Daemonette: 9x Piercing claws + Elites + Fiends [2 PL, 40pts] . Fiend: Dissecting claws, Vicious barbed tail + Fast Attack + Seekers [5 PL, 115pts]: Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos . Heartseeker: Piercing claws . . Steed of Slaanesh: Lashing tongue . 4x Seeker: 4x Piercing claws . . 4x Steed of Slaanesh: 4x Lashing tongue + Heavy Support + Exalted Seeker Chariot [4 PL, 80pts] . 3x Daemonette Charioteers: 3x Piercing claws . Exalted Alluress: Lashes of Torment . Steeds of Slaanesh: Lashing tongues ++ Total: [59 PL, 1,200pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) Da cunnin' plan: Play the objective game, maybe outflank with the Killa Kans and missile the Nob on Smasha Squig into a Keeper and hope for the best. Da reservs: 1 Wierdboy Wortsnagga Some more bikers 3 Meganobz 3 unbuilt Killa Kans 1 Deff Dread 1 Morkanaut Some Runtherds 10 Tankbustas Around 6 Burnas 10 Lootas 5 Flashgitz Ghazzy 1 Squiggoth Different Big Meks 5 Stormboyz And some other unbuilt stuff PS: if someone has some ideas on how he can make his list better, please post it as well and I will forward it to him.