Ironfather0 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 there are no special rules besides automatically regrouping for ATSKNF now apparently because the marine book says to reference the universal special rules and in the 5th ed book it is not in there. *sigh* can't believe GW missed that.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKHaZZ13 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 that is because it is a space marine special rule, no other army has ATSKNF they did not "miss it" it will be updated in the new space marine codex patience my friend :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1627056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Drakk Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 There's been a fair few posts concerning the absence of ATSKNF in the USR. It's been decided that SRs that only apply to one race (such as ATSKNF) will come out in the respective races' codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1627129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Horse Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 yeah, from all I've seen its going to be in the new SM codex, plus if you play fluff chapters like DA and BT,, its still there until the revive the codexes even if they do kick it out of codex marines:P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1627414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 no other army has ATSKNF Discipline (just to mention it) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1627522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 for the time being, then, where shall one look to find the rule? obvious answer is the 4th ed BBB, but that's "obsolete". can't use the DA/BA/etc... books, either, by RAW. Is this going to be one of those "we all know how it works, just live with it" things, at least until Sept. 20+? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1627680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 If you know that it does the same as the IG skill Discpline you can refer to that one (different name but much the same) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1627880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praeger Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 well you DONT know how it works. We know how it USED to work, and have ideas about how it MAY work in the future - but at the same time it may have been taken out of the game completly for game balance or any other number of reasons. For now any rules that say "look in the rule book" dont work. Sad but simple answer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1628004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKHaZZ13 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 ahhh *stupid IG* lol It is "techincally true" that until the new dex ATSKNF dose not exist for SM but in the GT, if you are using fifth, you will get to use ATSKNF (subject to change, see thourney rules - if thats been/coming up *i lost track* lol) if you play a shop tourney, ATSKNF applies just as in 4th this all may be subject to an FAQ but by that time the new dex will be out haha and of course if outside GW, your opponent also has a deciding voice (failing that a role off!) though they are being abit mean with not letting you have it lol I mean, you are the MIGHTY SPACE MARINES!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1628071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Drakk Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 From what i know, discipline works differently from ATSKNF. It's not big, but ATSKNF prevents a unit form being destroyed if it is caught in a sweeping advance, where as discipline has no description for such scenarios Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1628533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber_Wulf Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 well to be honest and they shall know no fear was only mildly useful. space marines could still be herded off the table by the enemy forcing some of the rallying criteria to be void (too close etc) and also rallying rules state that you can charge after rallying etc so apart from teh 3" consolidation for rallying you can pretty much act as normal after rallying. also with rites of battle a space marine shouldnt really be failing a lot. the only major annoyance i can see is that with ATSKNF gone, space marines can no longer rally below half strength. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1629252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleasuredome Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 the only major annoyance i can see is that with ATSKNF gone, space marines can no longer rally below half strength. Check the wording on ATSKNF in the SM Codex. The last sentence says that they immediately regroup after falling back. Fall back and regroup . No word from being not under half strenght or within 6" to the enemy. Codex overrules Rulebook I've been told . Beside that , we cannot charge out of moved Landraiders. I found no assault ramp rule in the rulebok . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1629834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Drakk Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 the only major annoyance i can see is that with ATSKNF gone, space marines can no longer rally below half strength. Check the wording on ATSKNF in the SM Codex. The last sentence says that they immediately regroup after falling back. Fall back and regroup . No word from being not under half strenght or within 6" to the enemy. Codex overrules Rulebook I've been told . Beside that , we cannot charge out of moved Landraiders. I found no assault ramp rule in the rulebok . ATSKNF only comes into effect if there are no enemies within 6''. If that happens, you can't regroup. I'm also betting assault ramps are covered in C:SM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1629896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Argos Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 ATSKNF has been added to the SM FAQ in the last few days and is currently posted on GW's site. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1630166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Drakk Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Nice update Argos. It's been while since i've visited the GW site myself, as it rarely updates anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1630886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 The ramps are also covered in that FAQ update. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140765-atsknf-is-gone/#findComment-1641795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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