Seth the Dark Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 I am thinking of starting a Black Legion army and am wondering how useful Abaddon is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 I've been playing BL since the very start of C:csm 3.0 (10+ years) and I have never used him. He is a CC monster in this dex though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 He's a monster, but you can have 9 regular terminators for the same cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 yea that's why i've never used him. I'm too cheap (pointswize) ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Me too. A few years back, I played in a tournament at a local game shop every weekend for the better part of a year. I was playing loyalists then, and I quickly learned that a sm capt with 100 points of wargear, champs in every squad, and other wastes of points such as dreadnoughts were not the way to win. As many marines as I could jam into an army list was what did it. Since then, I'm usually extremely frugal when making army lists, and as I'm getting back into the game after several years away from it, I find myself being tempted towards some of those shiny toys again. My new LGS(I've moved since the last place) runs 1750 pt army lists, and there's just not room in an army that small for a 270 point HQ unit. Larger games, like 2500 points? Maybe. Apocalypse? Hell, I'm taking every special character in the codex at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maladon Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 One, don't use him unless the game is 2000 pts or more. with a bodyguard of 3 to 4 terminators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 too slow and as he is only hth he is easy to counter . not worth the pts . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester262 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 wow, I can't believe you guys are saying this. I used him in a 1750 list for a while just to mess around. I played around 10 games with him and won every one because of him. I put him in a unit of 6 termies and deapstruck. They tried to shoot him and his unit up but could not get to him. I found him worth every point but I felt like I was cheating. So Now I only use him in Apoc games or regular games at 3k points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmndr Sarpedon Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 The only time I used him was with a proxy, to see if he was worth his salt. He died in one round by massed bolter fire, the next by gaunts, the next by a Sg with power claws. Ab didnt kill many either, except the first gaunt squad of about 25 he came to, and teared them appart. Always keep him with a body guard, he should be better in apoc, MILLIONS OF GAUNTS TO KILL MAKES AB HAPPY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 wow, I can't believe you guys are saying this. I used him in a 1750 list for a while just to mess around. I played around 10 games with him and won every one because of him. I put him in a unit of 6 termies and deapstruck. They tried to shoot him and his unit up but could not get to him. I found him worth every point but I felt like I was cheating. So Now I only use him in Apoc games or regular games at 3k points you mean you deep strike run [otherwise the unit dies to plasma /blast weapons] to disperse . on the next turn if there is a unit within 12' they can charge ...aside of that depending on the load out the unit is 1/4 or more of your army . either you play against a lot of statci gunline list or your opponents are very good . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester262 Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 yea, I didn't like the point sink either. The guys I plau against are good. I guess I just had a lucky streak ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 If you like him, get him and use him at times. That's what i'd advise. If you think it'd be fun then do so. But only use him in a 2000+pts army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth the Dark Posted August 28, 2008 Author Share Posted August 28, 2008 Thanks for the replies guys! It looks like Abaddon is pretty pricey but I would like to try him out at least since he does seem to be pretty wicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenocidal Maniac Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I have yet to give him a try. Seems awesome, but not really worth the points. I think I will give him a shot in my next apoc game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelias Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 i use him from time to time in my new black legion army, mostly for fluff reasons and due to the fact i don't give a rats ass about number crunching and winning every game as long as i have fun i'm pretty happy. a good player can win with a bad army list and bad players can win with a good list, which side of the fence do the people that don't use him sit on? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 a good player can win with a bad army list and bad players can win with a good list, which side of the fence do the people that don't use him sit on? so you think that if two GT winers would play against each other and one would be using a pure GK army and the other an Eldar/Chao/Tau one [specially in the 4th edition] they both would have the same chance of wining ? I dont think so . From some lvl how good a player is stops being important [as long as he is really good] and the options the codex/army list , become the deciding factor who wins . check how many chaos top players in GT sized tournaments use abadon . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelias Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 that's the whole point tbh, GT players build lists to win games and probably couldn't give a dam about fluff,fun,characterfulness so let's not assume everyone is a GT player. any idiot can draw up an army list for a GT that with favourable dice rolls can win but after all this is a table top RPG and not a game of counterstrike. Is building the best generic army possible and steamrollering over races a,b,c fun? or would you rather play Abaddon and his chosen fighting a fierce engagement against a joint force of grey knights and imperial fists? so let's not say Abaddon is useless because i can probably say every entry in the dex's (any) has it's uses, sure there might be other thing in there that can do the job better but each entry was put there with a specific role in mind :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 a good player can win with a bad army list and bad players can win with a good list, which side of the fence do the people that don't use him sit on? :rolleyes: I'm a pretty good player who makes solid and fluffy army lists. Fluffwize, why would Abbadon be leading my small (by BL standards) army anyway ?? My army is lead by my own undivided characters that have years of my on fluff and game play behind them. By your logic every BL army should be led by Abby or the owner is not a good player or not a fluffy player ????? :ermm: Do explain your reasoning behind that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Blackrazor Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Frankly he's unbeaten in any of the dozen games I've used him in. Always survives, always destroys whatever he touches. Of course, that doesn't mean -I- win the game :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgoth Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 If you play him right he is awsome. but that goes for every other unit to. If you have him at the back "leading" he is pretty much useless very slow but it also depends on missions. IN 3rd I used to deepstrick him with a body guard all of the time. 4th ed they toned down all of the special characters and didn't use him as much as he wasn't neded to kill the other teams sp characters. Lately I have felt that ab dosenot belong in a regular game or most of the sp characters. It makes no sense to have the most powerful and hated chaos lord leading a small force. I think AB is and the others are more suited for appoc battles. Thats the time I unleash my 50 or so termies in a deep strike at the heart of the enemey with AB leading the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelias Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 a good player can win with a bad army list and bad players can win with a good list, which side of the fence do the people that don't use him sit on? :devil: I'm a pretty good player who makes solid and fluffy army lists. Fluffwize, why would Abbadon be leading my small (by BL standards) army anyway ?? My army is lead by my own undivided characters that have years of my on fluff and game play behind them. By your logic every BL army should be led by Abby or the owner is not a good player or not a fluffy player ????? :tu: Do explain your reasoning behind that. i didn't say that, if you read my post again i said i only use him from time to time...... too totally dismiss him as some people have are probably the people who use a lash prince in 100% of there games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Canoness Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Abbadon is a d!ck. I played against him in a 1500pts game with my World Eaters. Yea, that was the only game in which I actually quit. The guy had him riding with a unit of Berzerkers in a Land Raider, and since all I had was assault power, there was no way I could kill him. An I6 Powerfist equivallent? No thanks. If you bring abby in anything other than an apoc game or when you and your oppont have decided before hand to build a scenario around special characters, you won't have many friends across the table. This new Codex turned a fluffy character into a cheeselord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth the Dark Posted September 2, 2008 Author Share Posted September 2, 2008 I dont think he would be that bad since he is rather expensive and he really is only decent in CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dràyhèn Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Check the price tag for abby, his elite 'zerkers, and his tuned up land raider and come here again to tell us he is cheese. Yeah, for that price he really should do something. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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