Bornnover Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Hi, I'm here with another question around IW - about marks. I still dont have condex (in Wednesday) so please be patient. I am new player to Warhammer 40k and I wanna start with CSM, but I still dont know which chapter - i am interested in IW, but there is one but... . They are Chaos Undivided, so they can't use marks (Oh yes, they can but it isnt fluffy at all) so you are without Invurelable Save (Tzeentch), Toughness. Other marks are unusable for IW Army 'cause they are not Close Combat army. So how do they compensate this? Mark Undivided do nothing (friend told). Thanks Bornnover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreachon Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 IW can have mark, the mark of khorne is usable as this is mentinoed in our fluff, IW are as close combat as others. People who claim IW aren't cc is hot air, our index astartes makes it very clear IW make use of cc forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bornnover Posted September 6, 2008 Author Share Posted September 6, 2008 But I've read fluff and his specialization is ranged combat and siege warfare... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 IW can have mark, the mark of khorne is usable as this is mentinoed in our fluff, IW are as close combat as others.People who claim IW aren't cc is hot air, our index astartes makes it very clear IW make use of cc forces. Indeed. And I'm a member of the fluff-Gestapo :huh: Storm of Iron even mentions the use of Berserkers. Daemons and excessive mutations are a no-go though with the exception of Obliterators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 But I've read fluff and his specialization is ranged combat and siege warfare... Which? There's a lot of official IW-fluff out there. The Codices, the Index Astartes, Storm of Iron, Dead Sky Black Sun and probably some short stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bornnover Posted September 6, 2008 Author Share Posted September 6, 2008 IW can have mark, the mark of khorne is usable as this is mentinoed in our fluff, IW are as close combat as others.People who claim IW aren't cc is hot air, our index astartes makes it very clear IW make use of cc forces. It was czech translation of fluff... it says: Základem této taktiky je komplexní střelecký plán = Basic of their tactic is complex shoot plan In fluff is written many things about their shooting skills... They are Chaos Undivided, so they don't believe in single god (indeed in no god) - they believe in chaos himself... Or I am wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 IW can have mark, the mark of khorne is usable as this is mentinoed in our fluff, IW are as close combat as others.People who claim IW aren't cc is hot air, our index astartes makes it very clear IW make use of cc forces. It was czech translation of fluff... it says: Základem této taktiky je komplexní střelecký plán = Basic of their tactic is complex shoot plan In fluff is written many things about their shooting skills... They are Chaos Undivided, so they don't believe in single god (indeed in no god) - they believe in chaos himself... Or I am wrong IW use chaos more like a tool to get things done. They don't worship Chaos like for example the Word Bearers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bornnover Posted September 6, 2008 Author Share Posted September 6, 2008 My fault, thanks. I'll read all official fluff that lays here. So this doesnt change thing that I wanna shooting army with 'Eavy weapons, Obliterators, Vindicators. My first line is 1,000 pts army and then expanding. So which marks can I use, with the view of fluffy army? I am intersted in Nurgle/Tzeentch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Well, you can easily use the marks with a bit of imagination. For example, you could use Plague Marine rules and model a squad of Iron Warriors that are almost completely bionic. They are strong, tough and feel no pain. :lol: For some ideas as to what's possible, have a look at this thread. 'Counts as' is a powerful tool, and as long as you don't confuse your opponent, most people will let you get away with a lot. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bornnover Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 IO have idea on matrk of Tzeentch - Shield generator (beared by Aspiring Champion) - it may look good! Thanks for idea with bionic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 You can use the other god's icons, but why would you want to? Icon of Chaos Glory (undivided) is cheap, and probably THE best icon for everything except raptors, and even for them many would say it is. Cult marines yeah sure, but the other icons are generally not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Chaos marks can be fun, but you don't really need them. Loyalists don't have Toughnes 5 or invulnerable saves. Do you see them complain? Chaos Marines can perform perfectly well with only icons of chaos glory, which is my favourite icon anyway. Rerolling LD 10 will ensure that your squads hardly ever break. If your expensive squad with Icon of Tzeentch gets broken in combat and is below 50% strength it will be unable to regroup and is lost for that game. Iron Warriors are indeed specialised in siege warfare, you got that right. That does not mean that they don't use close combat units. Someone has got to assault those trenches or the breaches in the enemy fortifications. Going heavy on shooting and heavy support choices makes sense for Iron Warriors, but don't feel bad when you include close combat elements. Their background concerning gods and cults has changed slightly over the years. In rogue Trader times (1st Edition of 40K, 13+ years ago) they were a Legion dedicated to slaanesh. But a huge amount of rogue trader fluff has become obsolete with the changes in 2nd Edition. In their 3rd Edition Index Astartes Article the Iron Warriors were almost completely dedicated to CVHaos Undivided, but were allowed a limited amount of Berserker units. That changed with the following Codex Chaos, where they were only allowed undivided units. Novels are generally not a very good source for fluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Fluff is relative. I tend to follow codex and novels for fluff and i value them both highly. I find novels quite realistic in their interpretation of some elements that the limited codexfluff passes by. The codex can give a onesided view at times. You don't need to be super extreme in the fluff-following. Not to mention as mentioned fluff changes a lot over time. Theoretically your IW's could be fully CC even if they're an assault force used during Sieges. After all you're only playing a small portion of a greater whole if you wish. And i must agree the Undivided mark is very good and suits IW's good. But they certainly can have some Khornate berserkers or cc tuned warriors around. And with some work the others can be around too. Same with a Sorceror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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