Wolf89 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I guess the argument still remains that we still get 2+ invulnerable save against the wound inflicted by the power weapon wounding attack though... unless I'm missing something?... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1744773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Yeah, by RAW I'd agree you do. The only arguement there is that if you aren't using the ID/Kill Outright Power, the Force Weapon counts as/is used as a Power Weapon, which Blessing of the Blood God doesn't effect. Hopefully it will be FAQed. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1745128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Fox Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 to be honest i think there is some right old proper rules lawyering going on here... it says "vs force weapons and psychic powers"... the chart in the DH book states that the NFW is only a force weapon when in the hands of a GRand Master (or Brother-Captain Stern i beleive)... so stop all these shinanegans... also it really doesnt matter either way as daemons are immune to instant kill anyway, because of the eternal warrior rule... my reasoning for the above being this; The nemesis force weapon that is a force weapon only when a GM has it... the blood god thingy says vs force weapons not ones with "nemesis" in the name... so the save is only valid on the GM's weapon. Rules lawyering ends up in you not having people to play against in your local area... as seen by a firned of mine who keeps trying to, and thus never gets to play with his very expensive Forge World army, that he is desperate to play with. and the argument about the exact wording is not valid... you cannot pick and choose which bits of a name to use and which bits to ignore... cos this argument could easily go the other way... as it states that the blessing works on force weapons nemesis froce weapons are immune to its effects... now none of us likes the sound of that do we???? so stop being silly and play the game... sorry for my little rant... i just find rules lawyering distastful as this is meant to be a GAME to be enjoyed by all, not by the person who can twist the rules to his/her favour at the expense of others... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1751139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 The problem is Fox, is that the DH codex has a different ruling on force weapons than the BBB so it would take precedence and be able to kill daemons outright even though they have eternal warrior. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1752283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Fox Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 i'd still like to know where it says that they aren't force weapons, and so they are not vulnerable to the blood gods gift... or the eternal warrior universal special rule, or where it says that Codexes from previous editions take precidence over the rule book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1753763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
highmarshalHelbrecht Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 i'd still like to know where it says that they aren't force weapons, and so they are not vulnerable to the blood gods gift... or the eternal warrior universal special rule, or where it says that Codexes from previous editions take precidence over the rule book? Well they're all pyschers but don't have force weapons still confuses me and if having this argument while playing a game ever took place, I would just pack my stuff and leave. It's not worth the time to think about it anymore.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1753891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Eltor Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 i'd still like to know where it says that they aren't force weapons, and so they are not vulnerable to the blood gods gift... or the eternal warrior universal special rule, or where it says that Codexes from previous editions take precidence over the rule book? Well they're all pyschers but don't have force weapons still confuses me and if having this argument while playing a game ever took place, I would just pack my stuff and leave. It's not worth the time to think about it anymore.... Codex beats rule book! Jervis Johnson once said this! There are for example some elite forces of the Dark Angels that can hold objectives (at least I think it was such an example) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1755365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Jervis Johnson once said this! I don't think that makes it official, unless he said it in an FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1755950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Inquisitor_Fox Posted Oct 30 2008, 11:14 PM i'd still like to know where it says that they aren't force weapons, and so they are not vulnerable to the blood gods gift... Copied from Codex: DH Armoury: "Nemesis Force Weapons have the following characteristics when wielded by different ranks of Grey Knights ......Rank.....Strength Bonus .Power Weapon Force Weapon Grey Knight .........+2...................No.................No Justicar................+2...................Yes................No Terminator...........+2...................Yes................No Brother-Captain....+2...................Yes................No Grand Master........+2...................Yes...............Yes" Basically only the Grand Master is badass enough to count as having a 'proper' force weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1755983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Jervis Johnson once said this! I don't think that makes it official, unless he said it in an FAQ. Well the BBB FAQ says if things differ between the BBB and the codex to use the codex rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1756084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I know, I just wanted to make sure people didn't start thinking Jervis Johnson is God, unless it's officially written down in a rulebook or FAQ (which it is this time), it's not official. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1756626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Captain Malachi Posted Today, 11:02 AM I know, I just wanted to make sure people didn't start thinking Jervis Johnson is God, unless it's officially written down in a rulebook or FAQ (which it is this time), it's not official. Maybe some re-wording is in order - you make it sound like its officially in an FAQ that Jervis Johnson is God. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1756630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I know, I just wanted to make sure people didn't start thinking Jervis Johnson is God, unless it's officially written down in a rulebook or FAQ (which it is this time), nothing is official. How about that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1756634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I know, I just wanted to make sure people didn't start thinking Jervis Johnson is God, unless it's officially written down in a rulebook or FAQ (which it is this time), nothing is official. How about that? Still sounds like Jervis is a god... STAR GOD! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1756989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Well I tried, either way, JJ isn't a God, and just because he says something that doesn't make it official. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1757054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Fox Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Copied from Codex: DH Armoury:"Nemesis Force Weapons have the following characteristics when wielded by different ranks of Grey Knights ......Rank.....Strength Bonus .Power Weapon Force Weapon Grey Knight .........+2...................No.................No Justicar................+2...................Yes................No Terminator...........+2...................Yes................No Brother-Captain....+2...................Yes................No Grand Master........+2...................Yes...............Yes" Basically only the Grand Master is badass enough to count as having a 'proper' force weapon. then there it is... the blood gods gift only works against the Grand master's weapon, as that is the only true Force Weapon, since the table clearly states that it is the ONLY force weapon. Thank you GM Tyrak Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1758492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
highmarshalHelbrecht Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 Like I said before, I was only worried about the GK grandmaster. The rest are wanna be's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145302-daemons-fighting-grey-knights/page/3/#findComment-1758694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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