OnlyInDeath Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Ok, so I just picked up the new SM codex today, and I gotta say, there's some parts that I love what it does for us, some parts not so much. Gotta say, 275 pt LRC's doesnt make me happy. But, more than anything, I love the Ironclad. Here's my plan for the future The basis for this would be large games, most likely apoc, with a very close drop in mind. Ironclad Dread: heavy flamer, Seismic hammer/heavy flamer, assault launchers 165 pts 2 Dreadnaughts Twin linked heavy flamers, heavy flamers, extra armor 130 pts each 3 Drop pods w/ deathwind missile launchers 55 pts each Can you imagine coming down around a green tide with this formation. You are talking 6 heavy flamer templates, 2 of those twin linked, plus 3 str 5 large blast templates. This formation would be perfect against any large infantry groups or for routing out those dug in enemies, and I really cant wait to model up some appropriate dreads...though unfortunately that would take me to 7 of 'em lol. SO yeah, that's just one of my new hearthrobs outta the new dex. Anything else floating other people's boats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Overall, I think the new codex is an improvement. Cant say anything jumps out at me, though a Vindicator with our "Special Iron Priest" will be featured in a future game. Dreads in general look good. Working on a list with almost all pods, lots of troops, terminators, and dreads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I just love the new Drop Pods myself....I want to make a pretty much all Drop Pod Assault army now =P Drop right on top of the enemy army and get into CC and just kick butt all over the place....hand to hand where a Wolf's strength is tested and shown superior! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Just remember to always take an odd number of pods if you can. You round up when the half come on the first turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I would have to say that I fall more to the side of a shooting line of dreds. Ven Dred HQ TWLC and ML 1 Dred TL Auto Cannon / TL Auto Cannon 1 Dred Plasma Cannon / Assult Cannon Nothing would be able to get close to these guys. Most folks don't like the Auto Cannon but coming from the world of 3rd edition Chaos where the AC was only ranged choice, I learned to appreciate it's value on the battlefield. When you have 2 TL'd, S7 heavy 2 48" ranged weapons only good things can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I'm still debating the make-up of my dreads, but for my Ironclad WIP I'm pretty sure I'm going with meltas for both, he just seems like a in your face tank hunter. But I might use a 2nd to support him with heavy flamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 Oh! another goodie that I forgot earlier. SHOTGUNS! now str 4 assault 2! Boy am I glad I modeled a couple of these into my scout squad now :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I neglected to mention that myself. Assault 2 str 4 shotguns encouraged me to buy a box to put them with my OBEL scouts. Gotta wolfify some plastics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 talking scouts, can you see doing 3 squads of 6 scouts with BLs and using the outflanked rule alongside of OBEL,,, oh boy, tender edit Opps, that would be 4 elite slots.... but 3 squads of 6 would still be fun, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 Another nice point: whirlwinds can now choose the shot between the no cover save missile or the higher str missile Predator destructors are now dirt cheap. So much for those LRE's (moreso). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I think I am going to 'count-as' my LRE for a Predator when we eventually loose them. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I can see using that no cover save whirlwind shot on many different army lists. Can someone point me to a page where to hits are explained for sniper rifle in C:SM or 5th ERB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 But the Pred Annihilator had become expensive, same for Land Speeder Tornado with AC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I am debating on really shaking up my army. Started in 3rd ed with a "SW armored company", played it in the beginning of 4th as the same, but now it seems that the game has moved to troops over tanks. Gotta resist the urge to cash in all my tanks, because I imagine they will change it up again in 6th. Still, I think my troops are going to get painted alot faster than my tanks will. Anyone in the market for some old-style rhino's, razorback, and predator? Keeping my old (low-profile) whirlwind though.. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 arent there problems with SW using drop pods , because how the FAQ is writen and how the rules for pods look in the new sm dex ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 The Drop Pod thing is stupid and with the way its written and the way I've read it the first sentence may say rules....the second sentence says nothing about rules. There is a whole post about this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 But the Pred Annihilator had become expensive, same for Land Speeder Tornado with AC. I don't see the Pred Ann being expensive, it's less than what it used to be. Just can't take upgrades for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I mean the point costs. 60 points for the lascannon sponsons for the Pred and 40 points for the AC of the Land Speeder. I find that it makes it expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 A predator annihilator is more expensive than before by a whole 20 points with las cannons all around for both. The destructor is cheaper though, so it's a toss up. Also I don't remember who posted it, but someone asked about sniper rifles? Well in the BBB you'll find that they wound on a 4+ and have rending. As for hitting I thought they took out the hits on 2's in exchange for rending but I'm not totally sure. So I'd assume you just use their BS of 3 (our Wolf scouts are 4 don't forget) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 It was me that asked about snipers rifle, I found the sniper rule but am confused on the Str 3 against armor. I get a rending roll and roll another 6 which gives me another 3 to the str roll. So the most I can score for AP is going to be 6, pretty sure the lowest armor value in the game is 10. Why would anyone even bother shooting a sniper rifle at armor. I guess the same thing can be said for the Assult Cannon, the highest AP score you can have is 9... am I reading this wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I guess the same thing can be said for the Assult Cannon, the highest AP score you can have is 9... am I reading this wrong! The highest AV you can reach is 15 (S6 +D6, if it is a 6 you will get +D3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 So for a sniper shot you have a str 3 weapon. Then the 4+ counts towards the AP value if a 6 is rolled you get 3+6+(1-3) Highest value is 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 :huh: With an AC you can reach AV15. S6 +d6 for armour penetration and if you through a 6 you will get additional d3 to the total make 15 max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Did you just repeat yourself? :huh: I get how the AC works ty :D, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother SRM Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 :huh: With an AC you can reach AV15. S6 +d6 for armour penetration and if you through a 6 you will get additional d3 to the total make 15 max. They're talking about sniper rifles - S3+d6, +d3 on a 6. Most that can be is 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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