Brother Tual Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I am a bit confused on the exact wording of this rule section... I want to know specifically - Can a speeder tank shock? Can a Speeder Ram? If yes, What happens if a squadron tank shocks? What happens with death or glory? only one model can attack and thus can only kill one - do the other models continue? or do they stop? or does the one model die and the death or glory also die? It is very unclear - the rules reference tanks specifically - but also caters for non tank vehicles - and then changes in definition to vehicles!! grrr What I feel - Vehicles apart from walkers can tank shock AND ram (otherwise alot of vehicles could not tank shock OR ram) Squadrons tank shocking force only one check and can only loose one model to a potential death or glory in which the unit then stops (I would count the unit as a single model..) otherwise RAW would say that the death or glory model dies even IF he scores a kill because the other vehicles continue to move and thus has not stopped the tank shock... What do we think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reglor Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I am a bit confused on the exact wording of this rule section... I want to know specifically - Can a speeder tank shock? Can a Speeder Ram? No, a speeder (I assume you mean a land speeder) can't tank shock (or ram) because it's not a tank. If yes, What happens if a squadron tank shocks? I don't know of any tanks that form into squadrens. It is very unclear - the rules reference tanks specifically - but also caters for non tank vehicles - and then changes in definition to vehicles!! grrr I'm not sure where the confusion comes from. The rules for tanks shock are in the section on tank rules and they say that tanks get these rules in addition to normal vehicle rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1751530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
turelhim vampire Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Incorrect, IIRC. A Land Speeder cannot tank shock as it is not a tank - only vehicles with the Tank rule can tank shock. It can, however, ram things. Ramming states that you gain plus one strength when ramming IF you are a tank, therefore anything is isn't a tank can still ram. This is going on memory, rather than the BBB, therefore there may be a stipulation that prevents speeders from ramming, but if there is then the example above is not it. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1751567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reglor Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Incorrect, IIRC. A Land Speeder cannot tank shock as it is not a tank - only vehicles with the Tank rule can tank shock. It can, however, ram things. Ramming states that you gain plus one strength when ramming IF you are a tank, therefore anything is isn't a tank can still ram. This is going on memory, rather than the BBB, therefore there may be a stipulation that prevents speeders from ramming, but if there is then the example above is not it. ;) Ramming is a type of tank shock so only vehicles that can tank shock (ie: tanks) can ram. As far as the bonus for being a tank, remember you also inflict a hit if you are rammed so non-tanks can be involved in ramming attacks, they just can't initiate them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1751574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marius Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 To back up what Reglor is saying, Ork trukks can get ramming spikes (or whatever they're called), which allows them to tank shock (and, by extension, ram), even though they still don't actually count as tanks. To me, that means that non-tanks cannot normally tank-shock or ram. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1751601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angronn Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Incorrect, IIRC. A Land Speeder cannot tank shock as it is not a tank - only vehicles with the Tank rule can tank shock. It can, however, ram things. Ramming states that you gain plus one strength when ramming IF you are a tank, therefore anything is isn't a tank can still ram. This is going on memory, rather than the BBB, therefore there may be a stipulation that prevents speeders from ramming, but if there is then the example above is not it. ;) Non-tank vehicles cannot ram (except in special cases) - just checked the BRB. The +1 Mass modifier for being a tank is relevant because the rammed vehicle might also be a tank, thus gaining +1 as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1751626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tual Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 ok - so trukks cant ram or shock unless they have a ramming upgrade - The confusion comes on my part from the wording - the rules refer to both TANKS and vehicles and seems to switch between terms rather liberally.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1752074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trekari Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Tanks follow the normal rules for vehicles, with theadditions and exceptions given below. TANK SHOCK! Tanks may decide to use their mass as a weapon, driving right into and through densely packed enemies... When moving a tank, the player can declare that the vehicle is going to attempt to make a tank shock attack instead of moving normally.... If the tank moved slowly enough during the tank shock attack... The rules are explicitly clear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1752194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Retribution Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Yes but what defines a vehicle as a tank? Are they defined some where in the vehicle's descriptor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1752330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Are they defined some where in the vehicle's descriptor? Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1752338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordekiem Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Only vehicles classified as tanks can tank shock or Ram. Or if they have a special rule that allows it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1752699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tual Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thanks brothers - Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1752774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marius Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 @Angel of Retribution - Vehicles are defined as tanks or not in their unit entry in the relevant codex. It usually goes something like; Unit type: Vehicle, Fast, Skimmer Or Unit type: Infantry (or jetbike if equipped with an Eldar jetbike) Hope that's useful <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1753106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Retribution Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1753223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Incorrect, IIRC. A Land Speeder cannot tank shock as it is not a tank - only vehicles with the Tank rule can tank shock. It can, however, ram things. Ramming states that you gain plus one strength when ramming IF you are a tank, therefore anything is isn't a tank can still ram. logically fallacious mate. Doesnt work like that. The +1 is there for cases where you work out damage back from vehicles that are not tanks. ie: Tanks ramming speeders =D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1753854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 EDIT - POSTS THAT ARE BLATANTLY RUDE AND ADD NOTHING TO THE CONVERSATION WILL BE DELETED Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150673-tank-shock-and-ramming/#findComment-1756562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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