Guest WG Vrox Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Ok I was reading Megamats Battle report with the success of the CML and I was thinking to bad you can't have a LF PL join the squad to split fire, then it struck me like a thunder bolt. Why not have a WGBL in TDA CML PW/SS with 4 wolves join a LF squad. Could the PL not effectively split the firing of the squad still and the wolves would provide the squad the much needed fodder. I may have to break out the LF I have had in their blisters for the last 6 years and paint them up..... Can any wolf brother find a flaw in this tactica? WG Vrox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 hmm,i don't know a killer longfang setup i made up was this 5 long fangs,4 lascannons,razorback with tllc no tanks would live after turn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 It's a neat idea but I think the long fange can only shoot at 2 targets..? I might be missunderstanding you.. But your setup sounds good on the hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 With a Razorback you can shoot 3 targets.You don't need to put the Longfangs in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvengingFist Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I can see what he means. The issue with Fangs is that they lack any ablative wounds, so lose effectiveness as soon as they take fire. With a WGBL and 4 wolves with them, they would have 5 heavy weapons, could still split fire onto 2 targets, and would have 4 wolves to remove in case of casualties. However, the wolves IIRC are a retinue. Can a retinued character join another unit as well? I always thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 With the new "only troops can hold objectives" you shouldn't be surprised if youre opponent ignores the Longfangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvengingFist Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 A valid point...i've certainly seen less people focusing on killing ranged support these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 With the new "only troops can hold objectives" you shouldn't be surprised if youre opponent ignores the Longfangs. lolololol..... ignore at their peril i say- my long fangs almost always take out many times their points worth!! To add- you can have 4 long fangs, a long fang pack leader AND a WG leader, AND a WGBL, not that you get any more heavy weapons, but i'd rather lose him than my split fire- Recently i've been putting a Wolf Priest on a bike (with healing pots) with 4x wolves with my L fangs, when the wolves are dead and the LF's have done what they need to he zooms off to where he's needed next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Sorry I dont understand the supposed fragility of longfangs. Lets look at this: Yeah, they are a 200-250 point unit. So are Grey Hunters and Bloodclaws. Space wolves are just plain expensive. There are only five of them. So? They dont have meatshields.... they shouldnt need them. With the new cover rules they should always always be in it, and in elivated cover if possible. They are high points, my opponent will kill them! Thats 4rth edition. In fifth they are but one KP. They dont do enough for their cost. I respectfully disagree and put fourth that upwards of three dead tanks per round is worth their points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WG Vrox Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 It's not the fragility or the cost effectivness that got me thinking about adding the WGBL to the LF squad, but yeah if I had a choice of loosing a Fenris wolf or a long fang with a las cannon I sure would rather loose the wolf. But more of what my realization is meant to confer is when you have 3 CMLs in one squad and the first missle destroys the target, thats 5 wasted missles. For my points I would rather have one WGBL with a CML in a squad that can split it's fire and while he's there he might as well bring along his wolves. Points wise I would run the WGBL as mentioned with 2 Fen Wolves and 3 LFs + PL. 2 LCs 1 ML. that comes out to be 180ish for LF and 140ish for WGBL. WG Vrox edit: typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 i thought you couldnt give anything to the long fang packleader. i thought all he could take was a ccw and a bolt pistol as well as that as long as he didnt shoot only then could the squad divide fire. however if yall are correct then 6 missiles would be deadly against any army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WG Vrox Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 i thought you couldnt give anything to the long fang packleader. i thought all he could take was a ccw and a bolt pistol as well as that as long as he didnt shoot only then could the squad divide fire. However if yall are correct then 6 missiles would be deadly against any army. sorry should have specified I was making reference to a WG retinue vs. joining a LF unit. the Retinue having the ability to send out 6 missles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 can a wolf guard pack leader still join the long fangs? and if so could he take termie armour and a cyclone? i honestly dont know the answer as im a 13th company so termie armour doesnt even touch the battlefield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 no, the heavy weapon is o the wgbl only:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 That's pretty interesting. Even if you only put a WGBL in Termie Armor with an assault cannon. You could have the 5 Long Fangs, 2 with heavy bolters and 2 with Lascannon. Would be an effective squad to hammer on hordes AND the tanks each turn using the WGBL's wolves as ablative wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 You could even add 4 wolves as extra wounds to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwind Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 So long as you can keep the long fangs in cover you're wolves will end up with 4+ saves. The wolves don't form a retinue. It says you can join other units, you just treat it as a mixed unit when removing casualties. So here's what I'm thinking. WGBL termie, AC/FB WG x3 Termie, AC/PF WG x4 Combi Plasma Drop pod WGBL Termie, CML/Storm bolter/Frost Blade Wolves x4 Long Fangs ML, PC, PC, Plasma Gun There's some Hard Boys abuse for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 It also specificly says the wolves form a unit with the IC who takes them.... they are in every way shape and form a retinue.... that doesnt stop them from joining another unit because of their special rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 So long as you can keep the long fangs in cover you're wolves will end up with 4+ saves. The wolves don't form a retinue. It says you can join other units, you just treat it as a mixed unit when removing casualties. So here's what I'm thinking. WGBL termie, AC/FB WG x3 Termie, AC/PF WG x4 Combi Plasma Drop pod WGBL Termie, CML/Storm bolter/Frost Blade Wolves x4 Long Fangs ML, PC, PC, Plasma Gun There's some Hard Boys abuse for you. Do you mind if I toy around with this a bit, and try to make an effective list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 The WGBL doesnt have to be in TDA, he can take a lascannon, ML, MM, HB or even Plasmacannon to in powerarmour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwind Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Ewww... BS5 Lascannon. That just makes me feel dirty... I like it. Go ahead JEFF4i. Just let me see what you come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 LOL, even at 2500 pts, that's like half an army worth of pts there JEFF, but god, it would be a nastily effective use of the points...insane firebase for a footslogger army? hmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwind Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 The drop pod squad is only about 500 points. That includes the character, pod, and 7 wolf guard. It's a healthy chunk of an army but you're going to spend about that much if you run a bodyguard no matter what. The WGBL with a heavy weapon comes in under 200 points, And that's a bs 5 heavy 2 CML. Plus four additional wounds in your long fang squad. Long fangs come in at 200 for 4 decently equipped. So you're looking at 1100 by the time you throw in your venerable dreadnought. That covers 3 of your HQs and now it's just a matter of picking up troops and maybe another tank or two. For 2500 you get another HQ to play with but most of your points are still going to Gray Hunters and Blood Claws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Yeah, it is a LOT of points, but worth a shot. Honestly, the key to me is making sure your points come out ahead, they take more than they give. Seems like they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 couldnt the wgbl and his retinue of wolf guards join the long fangs as well equaling somewhere around 8 heavy weapons in my squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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