How does your group play Wolves

[Ragnars Claw]

Strictly speaking by the letter of the GW FAQ we should be using the rules form our codex for things like assault cannons, so 3 shots no rending, storm shields that give you a 4+ save in combat against 1 opponent, no drop pod assault rules etc.

 

However this just seems a bit......<DELETED BY THE INQUISITION> really.

 

How do you play it with your group?

[Focslain]

They just let me combine the new marine codex and use their rules for the wargear. Points cost are from C:SW except in the case of vehicles. They seem to trust me enough not to abuse the different options, though the whole counter-attack thing makes them weary of the army in general.

[Wolf89]

Strictly speaking by the letter of the GW FAQ we should be using the rules form our codex for things like assault cannons, so 3 shots no rending, storm shields that give you a 4+ save in combat against 1 opponent, no drop pod assault rules etc.

 

However this just seems a bit......<DELETED BY THE INQUISITION> really.

 

How do you play it with your group?

 

Where does the FAQ say that? I must have missed that part... :P

[Ullr Direfang]

it took a while but basically, it was worked out that there are things from the new C:SM (rhino, LS storm, razorback, ss, AssC stats, CML stats, etc.) that i can take. long list worked, out over about 2 to 3 weeks.

 

and the way, i guess (or should i say, as i have been told), the "reference sheet in the back of all codices are just that, reference. if a rule or style change (for SW it's easy, 'cause most of are stuff is a "look in C:SM"), then even though it isn't changed in all codices, it is still what should be used. the new rule that is.

 

hey besides, if people want me to use it i tend to say "sure", and re-do my list so i have a longfang pack wiht 4 PC, and anything that can have any type of plasma, gets it 'cause my codex doesn't have "get's hot" next to the plasma stuff :P

[Focslain]

Quick comment:

 

Ullr Direfang, I love your sig, same thing happened vs thraka and a squad of mega-nobz

[Wolf89]

it took a while but basically, it was worked out that there are things from the new C:SM (rhino, LS storm, razorback, ss, AssC stats, CML stats, etc.) that i can take. long list worked, out over about 2 to 3 weeks.

 

and the way, i guess (or should i say, as i have been told), the "reference sheet in the back of all codices are just that, reference. if a rule or style change (for SW it's easy, 'cause most of are stuff is a "look in C:SM"), then even though it isn't changed in all codices, it is still what should be used. the new rule that is.

 

hey besides, if people want me to use it i tend to say "sure", and re-do my list so i have a longfang pack wiht 4 PC, and anything that can have any type of plasma, gets it 'cause my codex doesn't have "get's hot" next to the plasma stuff :D

 

Ragnars Claw better not be getting this from our reference sheet in the back, because if he is I can tell him what he's doing wrong already, he's using the reference sheet in the back when we don't use the reference sheet in the back. :P

 

Usually when someone tries to pull that crap with me I usually try to keep my cool and politely explain to them how they're wrong and start whipping out all my papers and treat them like a 3-year old child explaining it... if they still don't understand, I get the TO (oh wait that's me :) ) and play the game with the TO there to make sure nothing goes wrong.

[Ullr Direfang]

100% agreed wolf89

i am apparently on of the most 40k versed people around here, but i have run in to it and just like you, did what i could to explain it to them as well but...

 

every now and then there is a person or two that say no no game, unless i use the reference sheet. i give them one as stated above, more plasma and other good-ins, and usually by the end of turn two, we restart with the right reference sheet.

 

thinking on the last IG guy i played... he had more heavy weapons then one could shake 5 sticks at, so i used our awesome, no drop pod just deep strike them thing, cause he said i couldn't buy drop pods, and got OBEL, 2 GH squads, BC squad, and termies, on turn 2, once again by the end of my turn (which i went first) we were restarting.

 

i really don't mean to be a jerk, but if anyone wants to really see a broken list, that had to top it for me (15-ish Plasma weapons, and much more all deep striking).

 

*edit* @ Focslain:

thanks for the props.

[saphius]

Completely agree as well. Use the stats in the Marine Codex. The reference in the back was just for convenience. But now is obsolete. This is how I play it. - With my group and at tournaments.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

that and there so many up to date refrences that say wolves use the current weapons. the wargear book mind you and the back of the rule book

[WG Vrox]

- We use the new C: SM here, there for a bit they tried to pull that use the stats out of my codex rule, but on page2 under the title Using the Army Lists it states, "Unless noted otherwise in this volume, all of the rules, options and limitations that apply to Space Marine army also apply to a Space Wolf army". All GTs so far allows SWs to use the C:SM. And like already the Summary at the end states it's a quick reference sheet, things changed real quick.

 

WG Vrox

[Grey Mage]

There are several places in the codex where they spell out the FAQ about what we take from the new codex... And Ill note that in the armory assault cannons are in italics.... so we get new ones.

[Wolf89]

There are several places in the codex where they spell out the FAQ about what we take from the new codex... And Ill note that in the armory assault cannons are in italics.... so we get new ones.

Exactly, I also forgot to mention that I asked Spencer this question a while back when someone wouldn't see my reasoning and for some odd reason he trusted Spencer's over mine... ;)

 

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[Long Fang]

We've got allot of marine players, but no 'codex' chapters so the SW, DA, BA and templers all use the same stats from the new SM:codex to make sure everyone has a fair/balanced shot.

That combined with the fact that its me and my mate that run the gaming club so if you don't like it the doors at the bottom of the stairs :)

 

Had a few complaints about me playing with a 13th company list but seeing as it was from a guy using a non-GW Deathguard codex, he found on B&C actually, he shut up pretty quickly.

 

Generally talk it out and the vast majority of ppl are fine with it, we play for fun after all, the minority that want to 'rules lawyer', well as i said you know where the door is.

 

Long Fang

[WolfLordLars]

You know, when you guys nuke the noobs before I get a chance, I feel all left out. ^_^

 

Nah, its all good, glad folks are talking about it. Spread the knowledge.

[Grey Mage]

Anyone have any idea what FAQ hes talking about? Cause it sounds like he has us confused with Dark Angels. The Army Builder guys do too.... anyone know something about this?

[Ragnars Claw]

You know, when you guys nuke the noobs before I get a chance, I feel all left out

 

I presume that wasn't aimed at me?

 

The FAQ is the Space Wolf FAQ, it was used at the GW heat 3 and quite clearly states that you have to use the stats from the codex, hence crappy assault cannons and stormshields etc.

 

All i did was ask a question to gather information on how other areas play it, not ask to be patronised or talked to like i don't know what i'm doing.

 

For what its worth in all my games until now i had been using the latest rules for the wargear. However one of, and soon to be 2 of, the major event organisors in the UK are ruling that wolf players have to use their codex for their stuff so we have to use 3 shot assault cannons etc. Now as i clearly said in my original post i think its crap and for me means i have no wish to play with my wolves under that scenario so i was hoping there was somebody out there who could actually put something constructive together to argue against it rather than comments like the above.

 

but on page2 under the title Using the Army Lists it states, "Unless noted otherwise in this volume, all of the rules, options and limitations that apply to Space Marine army also apply to a Space Wolf army".

 

Is this in Codex: Space Marines?

 

If so it would solve all debate :tu:

 

i really don't mean to be a jerk, but if anyone wants to really see a broken list, that had to top it for me (15-ish Plasma weapons, and much more all deep striking).

 

Thats how i feel. I mean its just plain stupid to say you have to use the rules from a codex which is 2 editions of the game old and when you could use the marine codex for stats and points costs without, in reality, making the wolves anymore or less broken than they already are anyway. Hacks me off tbh.

[Magnus Aurelius]

Actually, this debate could be easily solved. At the SW codex it states on the wargear page that there is a brief description of the items later in the codex, but that we should really refer to the wargear section of the SM codex.

 

so, there is no need to look at our summary page, because we use the rules from the SM codex. And even if the FAQ points at the SW codex, the SW codex points at the SM codex :P.

 

That combined with what Vrox said (it's in the SW codex on page 2) will make your case very clearcut.

 

Magnus Aurelius

[Ragnars Claw]

Excellent, just what i'm after cheers dude :devil:

[Wolf89]

@Ragnar's Claw

 

Don't take offense to some of our words, most if not all were all directed to those who would argue against our position, not towards those who live in those situations where they're being hindered by the very people we hate. We're just aggressive ale drinking grumpy old men who tend to bash the messenger. If we rubbed you the wrong way we didn't mean to. ;)

 

I hope you've got the information you've seeked and may your wolves live again to kill xenos, with Heavy 4 rending goodness. :devil:

[Ullr Direfang]

once again: total agreed with Wolf86

 

i didn't mean to seem like i was talking down to you(if i did), just to who/what ever made you use our "reference sheet". you seem smart enough to not be one of those "but it says..." kinda people , but just hearing about people like that anger me greatly.

[Gondlir the Wandbearer]

And if they really want to force you to use the ref sheet in the bak, just go for as much plasma weaponry (say, a long fang squad with 4 plasmacannons or two) as you can cram into your list, as the SW ref sheet doesn't have the "gets hot" rule for plasma weaponry :huh: .

[JCarter]

What do you do about items on which the C:SW has conflicting descriptions and for which there is no entry in C:SM. Examples: Runic Staff and storm shield listed under single-handed weapons in the armory and as wargear in the summary.

 

What do you do about items that have disappeared from the C:SM but for which there is still a description in the summary? Examples: wolf totem and fang. I feel that for these items, there is no fuller description in the C:SM, so whatever is in the C:SW summary should now be how the item is used.

[Grey Mage]

Items who have dissapeared from C:SM and are not in our codex's wargear section are gone... null and void. The summary is just that, an outdated summary of what we looked like in 3rd edition.

 

Single handed weaponry no longer exists as a game rule.... its just a way of choosing our equipment now. Follow the guidlines in the armory and youll be fine.

[Ullr Direfang]

i have heard a different take on "things that no long are represented in C:SM ( i don't agree with it in any way really): use it as listed in our reference sheet like stated above. but there is a problem with that, IIRC every thing in the back is usually linked to "that which is gone" in the C:SM. so if you can find what it does in C:SM it's gone (relics come to mind).

[WolfLordLars]

Nah, not directed at you.. thus the ":evil:" after the statement.

 

Those UK tournament rules are just foolish. Its not anything on your part, its whoever made that crap up.

 

No worries, just cite the previously mentioned part about using rules from C:SM. Our book was NOT designed to stand alone. DA/BT/BA were (poorly, but still).