flameseeker574 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 so when i decide to fire my frag missiles at a target, say a unit of orks. do I throw down two blast templates and roll individually like for a bunch of plasma cannons in a dev squad or does everything that goes under the one template get hit twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 It is two shots, scatter for both , but you can place the blast markers in the same starting spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flameseeker574 Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 thanks for the quick response =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waaanial00 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 It is two shots, scatter for both , but you can place the blast markers in the same starting spot. Â Why? It counts as two shots and you roll to scatter for both but why the same starting spot? Fair point that you have to target the same unit but where are you getting the same starting spot from? By the same argument I would say that the two bolter shots you rapid fired can only hit 1 model. I would say that you place the templates independantly on the target unit and then scatter but I havent looked up any rules clarification. Â Not getting at you just wondering if this is another example of crazy 5th edition rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 It is two shots, scatter for both , but you can place the blast markers in the same starting spot. Â Why? It counts as two shots and you roll to scatter for both but why the same starting spot? Fair point that you have to target the same unit but where are you getting the same starting spot from? By the same argument I would say that the two bolter shots you rapid fired can only hit 1 model. I would say that you place the templates independantly on the target unit and then scatter but I havent looked up any rules clarification. Â Not getting at you just wondering if this is another example of crazy 5th edition rules? He said you can place the two markers in the same spot, not you must place them in the same spot. Remember, casualties don't have to come from under the marker, so there is usually a spot that gets the most hits and the best idea is to put both templates there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waaanial00 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Ooops, sorry having "can" blindness again. Â I retract any harshness intended or otherwise from my earlier statement. Â Wan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utsujin Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Well, you are a Fist, and you're stubborn, so all is good brother. Me and flameseeker were wondering this as we were talking last night. The reason this came up is because in the old chaos codex the havoc launcher was the havy 2, blast which was if you rolled 2 hits, you would get 1 blast, at least that's how we played it. Thanks for the clarification all, I want cyclones now. haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 also, another thing to remember about template weapons, as all casualties come off at the end, after all the shooting, it is possible to totally smash some units with multiple templates, especially if they are a few clustered and u roll a few low scatter/hits. 3 frag missles vs a deepstriked formation of 10 horror's caused 20 wounds (2 hits and a 1 inch scatter), wiped the squad out totally :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 also, another thing to remember about template weapons, as all casualties come off at the end, after all the shooting, it is possible to totally smash some units with multiple templates, especially if they are a few clustered and u roll a few low scatter/hits. 3 frag missles vs a deepstriked formation of 10 horror's caused 20 wounds (2 hits and a 1 inch scatter), wiped the squad out totally :D Â As long as we agree on the "casualties come off at the end" as meaning; "Casualties are removed as firing is finished by a given unit, not in the end of the entire Shooting Phase". Â The chance to "smash some units with multible templates" decreases as casualties are removed between different enemy units firing. Of course this isn't a problem if one unit field a lot of template/blast weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 aye thats what i meant. multiple blasts from the same unit of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I retract any harshness intended or otherwise from my earlier statement. Well, I'll APPLY some harshness... in the rulebook, it says to place the blast where the most models can be hit. You have NO choice. So, if the most models you can hit is 4, and it's only in one place, then you're going to place both blasts there. So, slow your roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 hmmm No that the template rules Manic. Flamers and the like have to get maximun models under the template. Blast can be placeed over any models' base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Ack! I ran to my car and got the rulebook just to make sure, but after I had posted. I'm a jack ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Yes , but you're our Jack Ass...heh easy mistake to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Yes , but you're our Jack Ass...heheasy mistake to make. Eh? Yeah. No excuses, still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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