Wolf Guard Battle Leaders

[G. A. K.]

On the two hour drive home from the last tourny this past weekend I allowed my mind to wander...

It weems everyone is only seeing the possibility of using TDA and an ass cannon, but what about giving him a bike with a lascannon? Bikes give you relentless which like TDA allows you to move and shoot any gun. That could be a very viable anti-tank choice zooming around the backfield, and with a SS you aren't ready for the assault but you can sure reach out and hurt some armor (with a 3+ inv to keep you alive).

What do you guys think?

 

I only ask because I made this "Chariot" for my army out of some (unrelated) tank treads and extra GW tank parts which can fit any model on a 25 mm base. I've been using it for my RP but this may need some playtesting and wouldn't require me to do any converting.

 

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[Vash113]

Well unless I'm much mistaken I thought it was only the Terminator Heavy Weapons that the Battle Leader can access and he can't take a bike and Terminator Armor...

[G. A. K.]

Like I said, no one has even tried this as far as I know. A WGBL in PA can have any of the PA based heavy weapons but in TDA you become relentless allowing you to move and fire. But now the bike gives you the same rule.

 

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[Brother SRM]

That is somewhere between the dumbest and greatest idea I have ever heard. It makes no sense whatsoever, fluff-wise, but is just too silly to pass up.

 

Alternately, take advantage of the mobility, and give him a multi-melta.

[hendrik]

=o

thats just =o

that's a great idea:p

[deedark]

Theory also stretches to giving 1 signle handed option of shield giving 3+ inv save without the need for speed add runic armour for a 2+ armour

 

Wow if legal this could be a beast even combi weps could rock here

 

D.

[Ranulf_Nightrunner]

That's possibly the most evily, cheesy awesome idea ever, nice :o

 

I've looked through the codex and cant see anywhere that says you cant do it, so yeah try it out and see if you can get away with it! :)

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

this is awesome. next paycheck im buying some stormshields.

[the jeske]

and you guys wonder why a lot of tournaments dont allow SW ;)

[Ullr Direfang]

right now i think this would need some serious thinking.... it sounds great, i can't find anything that says no, but it does sound a little to cheesy. i wouldn't try running it at any events just yet but would definitely run it in some fun games.... i will still look on this though 'cause it sounds great....

 

*added the "n't" to would for wouldn't*

[G. A. K.]

oh you won't get an arguement from me on it being the cheesyest thing I have ever heard of but it is a promising idea.

Stick him close to your GHs holding your home objective (I try to have a 6-man; PF, plamagun squad for this) to stay safe with numbers and move around to get clear shots on encroaching armor. Also you could give him like four wolves to add ablative wounds for when he is on he own, but with wolve you can't turbo-boost anymore.

On a related note do you have to check difficult terrain (X2; due to regular 12" move) if you have wolves with you, or do all the wolves just check dangerous terrain like they were bikes; because they "move as fast as the character they are attached to"?? I just checked dangerous terrain the only time it has come up for me.

[UKMD Nick]

On the two hour drive home from the last tourny this past weekend I allowed my mind to wander...

It weems everyone is only seeing the possibility of using TDA and an ass cannon, but what about giving him a bike with a lascannon? Bikes give you relentless which like TDA allows you to move and shoot any gun. That could be a very viable anti-tank choice zooming around the backfield, and with a SS you aren't ready for the assault but you can sure reach out and hurt some armor (with a 3+ inv to keep you alive).

What do you guys think?

 

I only ask because I made this "Chariot" for my army out of some (unrelated) tank treads and extra GW tank parts which can fit any model on a 25 mm base. I've been using it for my RP but this may need some playtesting and wouldn't require me to do any converting.

 

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Hello, (sorry that my first post here should be so negative ) but i dont think that its possible, is it?

I presume you want to give him a bike from the space wolves armoury which is fine, but how do you give him a lascannon?

WGBL can take items from the 'space wolves armoury and/or the wolf gaurd entry in the army list' In the options for the wolf guard body gaurd it says under the heading Wolf guard heavy weapons 'models armed with heavy weapons may not use any other weapons and cannot ride bikes'

 

have i missed something?

 

 

also found this in the faq, so cant see how he could have a heavy weapon anyway:

Q2c.) Can a Wolf Guard Battle Leader take a Heavy Weapon, as per the Wolf Guard Bodyguard option?

 

A.) No. A Wolf Guard Battle Leader is a Wolf Guard in NAME ONLY, and thusly, get NO options from the Wolf Guard Leader/Bodyguard entry.

[Byrne]

Aye, I would also go on the sentence saying that you can not buy a heavy weapon if you are mounted on a bike. As it say in the wolf guard entrence.

[dietrich]

On his blog, Stelek advocates taking WGBL's with bikes, multi-meltas, a storm shield, and runic armor. If you do that, you might as well master-craft the multi-melta. It's a horribly cheesy configuration. It's also like 3x the points of an attack bike. The WGBL and Attack Bike both have 2 wounds, can both be bogged down in melee, but the WGBL is BS 5 and can have a 2+/3+ save. See: http://yesthetruthhurts.blogspot.com/searc.../Space%20Wolves

 

If you don't have the WGBL on bike join a unit, he'll get gunned down quickly.

 

Personally, I'd rather gear up my ICs for close combat and take some attack bikes for anti-tank.

 

I will take a wild guess that having a WGBL on a bike with a heavy weapon will NOT be allowed in the next SW codex. I have little enough time to assemble and paint models, I don't plan on wasting any time with models that I expect to be illegal within the next year (and probably less than that).

 

I would have to check if my first printing of the SW codex disallows buying a WG model a heavy weapon and a bike. I know that the first printing doesn't allow include combi-bolters in the True Grit description, so other wording may have changed as well.

[Wolf89]

First off, you cannot put him on a bike with a heavy weapon according to the WGBG entry where the weapons are taken from.

 

Second, if this can be proved wrong and we can do this... dear god... I'll need to change my list...

[WolfLordLars]

UKMD - Your reading an old FAQ then. Or your reading that horrid piece of crap that some tournament judge put together that totally disregards the 'official' FAQ. WGBL's can take heavy weapons from the Wolf Guard entry, per GW's most recent SW FAQ.

 

I will check the rules on this one. I THINK we tried it years ago and it didnt work, but maybe 5th changed that?

[Max_Dammit]

Hello, (sorry that my first post here should be so negative ) but i dont think that its possible, is it?

I presume you want to give him a bike from the space wolves armoury which is fine, but how do you give him a lascannon?

WGBL can take items from the 'space wolves armoury and/or the wolf gaurd entry in the army list' In the options for the wolf guard body gaurd it says under the heading Wolf guard heavy weapons 'models armed with heavy weapons may not use any other weapons and cannot ride bikes'

 

have i missed something?

 

Looks like a other difference between the 1st print NW dex and the 2nd print, No mention of not taking heavy's on bikes in my dex :)

[WolfLordLars]

Its in there, and I have the most recent SW codex. Under Wolf Guard Heavy Weapons. "Models armed with heavy weapons may not use any other weapons (unless equipped with Terminator Armor when they may select additional weapons from the Armory) and cannot ride bikes." (corrected spelling is mine.. there is no "u" in armor - silly brits ;) )

 

Nope, no Lascannon on a bike.

[Wolf89]

Its in there, and I have the most recent SW codex. Under Wolf Guard Heavy Weapons. "Models armed with heavy weapons may not use any other weapons (unless equipped with Terminator Armor when they may select additional weapons from the Armory) and cannot ride bikes." (corrected spelling is mine.. there is no "u" in armor - silly brits B) )

 

Nope, no Lascannon on a bike.

 

I'm pretty sure you have the old one, because mine says the same, and the stormcaller rule is the old one... so yea... we have the old dex and I guess the new one not only provides combi-weapons true grit, but also WGBL's toting las cannons on bikes... ;)

[WolfLordLars]

I was told that on the first page, at the bottom of the credits, right above that white box with the GW info, if it says "Second Printing" you have the most recent. Mine does.

 

Maybe they have the old ones?

[Max_Dammit]

What does the runic staff cost in yours? and to not break rules is it more or less than 15

[Wolf89]

What does the runic staff cost in yours? and to not break rules is it more or less than 15

 

Less than 15 but greater than 1...

[Max_Dammit]

strange, than you should have the old one, but i cant find the no heavy on bike

 

Page and location on page?

[Wolf89]

strange, than you should have the old one, but i cant find the no heavy on bike

 

Page and location on page?

 

Models armed with heavy weapons many not use any other weapons and cannot ride bikes. All heavy weapons count as 'two-handed weapons' with regard to other options allowed from the Armoury.

page 8 C:SW Under Wolf Guard Heavy Weapons: under the Wolf Guard bodyguard section.

[Bran Scalphunter]

Alrighty then, I've got the 2nd Printing Version, which I assume is the newer one as I can True Grit Combi-weapons and the Runic Staff is the average of 20 and 30pts. :) And under Wolf Guard Body Guard it states:

 

"Wolf Guard Heavy Weapons: Up to one in three models n the Wolf Guard bodyguard (rounding fractions up) may be armed with one of the following heavy weapons. Models armed with heavy weapons may not use any other weapons (unless equipped with Terminator armor when they may select additional weapons from the Armory) and cannot ride bikes." (Codex: Space Wolves, page 8.)

 

Is it possible that there are more than 3 versions of the Wolf Codex out there, with the 2nd and 3rd being labeled both as 2nd Printing thanks to GW's spotless record of proofreading.... *bursts out laughing hysterically* God, sorry, couldn't say that with a straight face! :lol: