The History and Legacy of Dorn's Betrayal

[The_son_of_Dorn]

With reference to the skull takers, they could be the blood angels equivilent of the flesh tearers, I know its rar, but it does happen :lol:

[Coryphaus 101]

The only problem you have there is that the Imperium and the Ultra's really do not get along. Just look at all the stuff with the Alpha Legion. Also, if you are looking at the historic record, Saladin and King Richard never allied. they were always enemies fighting against each other. What did happen was Saladin was highly respected by his opponents for his chivalrous behavior so he became famous that way.

 

Good idea. This will make the Ultras 'betrayal' even worse.

 

I would point to the peace talks where Culln's predecesor, Ortys, was shot killed by an outside assasin as a good place to work this. Maybe make this be the event when Lufgt is shot by a Salamander Melta. Also, I had a thought that maybe Ortys should be the saladin character and when Culln rises to replace him, he breaks with Ortys' treaty.

 

Possibly. In my writing, Ortys is already dead, dying in the first battle (it's in space and they're fighting a company that excels at space combat, what did they think would happen?). I can of course change this quite easily if wanted.

 

On a side note, with so many ultramarines getting involved, it would seem obvious that the Alpha legion would have players somewhere in the field. I was thinking the minotaurs, since the real world version has them described as having mysterious backers. Maybe a world Eater company with secret Alpha Legion backers?

 

Done. The Minotaurs and the Excorists (they had to learn their tactics somewhere) will be backed by the Alpha Legion, and there will be an unusual amount of sabotage and assassinations going on (who could that be?).

[malika666]

By the way, what about the other factions/races in this universe? Will they simply stay the same, or will they too undergo changes? For example the Imperial Guard, will the current known Loyal regiments still be loyal, or are they undergoing that switcheroo as well?

 

Is there even such a thing as the Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy or are they still that unified organisation: the Imperial Army.

[Culebras]

By the way, what about the other factions/races in this universe? Will they simply stay the same, or will they too undergo changes? For example the Imperial Guard, will the current known Loyal regiments still be loyal, or are they undergoing that switcheroo as well?

 

Is there even such a thing as the Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy or are they still that unified organisation: the Imperial Army.

 

 

No idea, though I think I remeber that Aurelius mentions the IG in the Iron Warrior's entry. And I believe there was mention of sector fleets, so maybe it hasn't changed that much.

 

Did have an interesting idea though. Given its natural conditions, It would be interesting of Catachan was the recruiting world for one of the homeworld-less space marine legions. :cuss

 

@Coryphaus

 

Had an idea for the badab war.

 

I think that we should probably include some mention to the tiger Claws, since they played a role in the events that led to the war in canon universe. My thought was this:

 

Lufgt Huron led a crusade into the Badab Sector to claim several worlds, including badab primaris. After their victories, a garrison force of Iron Warriors were left, which became known as the Tiger Claws for the habit of "notching" their weapon barrels with kill counts in a way that resembled the claws of a tiger. However, contact was lost several years later in a mysterious incident.

 

The final recorded report came from tiger warrior Captain Vetala, who details them discovering and defeating a sizable force of the Sons of Medusa (Iron Hands). The Medusans were engaged in the purging of all life from a previously unknown planet located near the Maelstrom. Their apparent purpose being the eradication of a race of small, semi-intelligent creatures which Vetala refers to as "Hamadrya." Vetala reports taking several live specimens with him when he departed, but no records exist of what happened next. Shortly thereafter, Badab Primaris fell to the Ultramarine Crusade Force and the Garrison force was official listed as casualties of the Ultramarine offense.

 

However, during Lufgt's crusade to retake Badab Primaris, he received a request for parley from Commander Ortys of the Red Scorpions who claimed to have information regarding the true fate of the Tiger Claws and the individuals responsible. However, before the information could be exchanged, the meeting sight was attacked by the Mantis Warrior Chaos band under the leadership of Chaos Lord Sartaq. In the following battle, Ortys was slain and the information died with him.

[Mercadius]

Skimming through there is a LOT to absorb here... ;)

There's a lot of work going in to this, huge amounts in fact!

You guys are basically rewriting 20+ years of GW 40K canon by flip reversing everything and shuffling the history about thats already been established but I feel confused like I am missing the point of it all I think. Is this for some kind of RPG or homegrown campaign rules or something? :tu:

Interesting stuff though at first glance!

 

Main thing is: there's lot's of war goin' on! :P

[Kelbor-Hal]

I am missing the point of it all I think

The point - like in case of all 'what if' scenarios - is: FUN ;)

Main thing is: there's lot's of war goin' on! :D

Yeah, well, you know... ITGDFTIOW :P :P

[malika666]

No idea, though I think I remeber that Aurelius mentions the IG in the Iron Warrior's entry. And I believe there was mention of sector fleets, so maybe it hasn't changed that much.

But without the Codex Astartes, this would have remained as during pre-Heresy days. Imperial Commanders (both normal human or Astartes) would lead expedition fleets which consist of Astartes Legion and/or Imperial Army forces. There would be no Imperial Guard or Imperial Navy, there would just be an Imperial Army.

 

Adeptus Astartes would also have more powerful ships and other funky stuff so that they could be even more independent since the separations of power never took place.

[blackoption]

But just because Gulliman didn't write the codex astartes as we know it doesn't mean another primarch could advocate seperation of the astartes legions from the Imperial Army.

 

If it didn't happen immediately after the heresy, it could happen again after the abuses of the word bearers legion during the age of apostasy. Obviously not separating the legions, but they divorce the legions from the rest of the military.

[malika666]

Maybe the separation from Space Marines and normal Imperial forces, but not the total subdivision of the Imperial Army.

[Coryphaus 101]

Here's the first draft of the first part of the overview. I don't think I've explained what I'm going to be doing yet so I'll do that now. I am writing an overview. We are then adding in all the other articles in detail. Anyway, here it is.

 

The Badab sector is a group of planets currently under Imperial control located to the galactic east of Terra, the galactic west of Ultramar Segmentum and close to the area of warp space known as the Maelstrom. Because of it's strategic importance the Badab sector has always been garrisoned by a strong force of the Imperial Army and Space Marines. But even a force such as this is hard stretched to protect the sector, and the Imperium, from the enemies attacking them from all sides. Records tell of when the endless war over the sector erupted and threatened to engulf the sector in destruction and unleash the power of the Maelstrom.

 

The war started in 900.M41 when the Ultramar Segmentum turned their gaze to the Badab sector. Wanting to expand their realms, they dispatched a sizable fleet to conquer the sector, led by the chapter master of the Red Scorpions, one Verant Ortys. When this fleet arrived at the sector they were expecting to easily overwhelm their opposition but they did not count on the skill or ferocity of the Space Marine wardens. The grand company of World Eaters, nicknamed the Astral Claws for their superiority at space combat, engaged in an epic fleet to fleet battle with the forces of Macragge and, despite being outnumbered and outgunned, the Astral Claws decimated the Ultramarine fleet and killing their leader. The Ultramarines retreated, but did not give up on the Badab campaign.

 

Believing the danger to be over, the Astral Claws returned to their fortress monastery on Badab Primaris, but what they found there was very different to what they expected. In the short time they had spent fighting the Ultramarines, the forces of Chaos had spilled out of the Maelstrom and attacked the Badab sector, seizing Badab Primaris and a host of other planets. Shocked and angry, the Astral Claws launched straight into an assault on their old fortress monastery.

 

Drop pods streaked down from the sky, trailing claws of fire. No orbital defences were operational as of yet, so the initial landing went according to plan. But when the Astral Claws attempted to besiege the fortress they found they where not only opposes by the forces of chaos, but by whole regiments of traitor Imperial Army and warp creatures. The capture of the Badab Sector by chaos had been planned for years, the Imperial Army had fallen to chaos long ago and where just waiting for the time when they could unleash chaos upon the sector. Outnumbered and shocked the Astral Claws were forced to retreat back to their fleet. Over half of the company died in that one battle, including the company captain and many of his senior officers.

 

The bad news did not stop there. The Ultramarines had not returned to Ultramar Segmentum as was thought but had simply retreated to the very edge of the system, just out of sensor range. Preying on the Astral Claws weakness, the forces of Ultramar swooped on the worlds of the Badab sector, capturing any unoccupied by the chaos forces and besieging others. The Astral Claws had been reduced to less than half their original strength and marooned on their fleet, with no friendly planets within the sector and notime to mourn over their many dead brothers

[malika666]

There is no such thing as an Imperial Guard in this verse since if I understand it correctly the normal human forces did not split up, so it's called "Imperial Army".

[Allfather1]

I think it would be cool if Lufgt Huron was still named Tyrant of Babab.

 

Believing the danger to be over, the Astral Claws returned to their fortress monastery on Badab Primaris, but what they found there was very different to what they expected. In the short time they had spent fighting the Ultramarines, the forces of Chaos had spilled out of the Maelstrom and attacked the Badab sector, seizing Badab Primaris and a host of other planets.

 

With the forces of Chaos defeated and Babab Primaris cleansed of it's taint, the Astral Claws once again took to the task of governing the world.

Rather then the loose reign the Bababarians (?) had enjoyed for millenia Lufgt Huron enforced an iron rule. Though harsh his rule is undoubtable effectif (sp?).

 

Captain Lufgt Huron of the __ Grand company of the World Eaters, unofficaly named Astral Claws, Savior and Tyrant of Babab and Commander of the Maelstorm Wardens.

 

I think that this would be cool cause it would make Lufgt Huron a Hero of the Imperium but hated by the people of Babab.

[Coryphaus 101]

There is no such thing as an Imperial Guard in this verse since if I understand it correctly the normal human forces did not split up, so it's called "Imperial Army".

 

Sorry, forgot about that. I'll fix it.

 

I think it would be cool if Lufgt Huron was still called Tyrant of Badab.

 

With the forces of Chaos defeated and Babab Primaris cleansed of it's taint, the Astral Claws once again took to the task of governing the world.

Rather then the loose reign the Bababarians (?) had enjoyed for millenia Lufgt Huron enforced an iron rule. Though harsh his rule is undoubtable effectif (sp?).

 

Captain Lufgt Huron of the __ Grand company of the World Eaters, unofficaly named Astral Claws, Savior and Tyrant of Babab and Commander of the Maelstorm Wardens.

 

I think that this would be cool cause it would make Lufgt Huron a Hero of the Imperium but hated by the people of Babab.

 

Hmmm maybe. We're trying to tie in some history with Lufgt the Lionheart being like Richard the Lionheart. Richard was admired by his subjects so maybe we can find another to call Lufgt the Tyrant of Badab (or maybe have someone else do that).

[Allfather1]

I think it would be cool if Lufgt Huron was still called Tyrant of Badab.

 

With the forces of Chaos defeated and Babab Primaris cleansed of it's taint, the Astral Claws once again took to the task of governing the world.

Rather then the loose reign the Bababarians (?) had enjoyed for millenia Lufgt Huron enforced an iron rule. Though harsh his rule is undoubtable effectif (sp?).

 

Captain Lufgt Huron of the __ Grand company of the World Eaters, unofficaly named Astral Claws, Savior and Tyrant of Babab and Commander of the Maelstorm Wardens.

 

I think that this would be cool cause it would make Lufgt Huron a Hero of the Imperium but hated by the people of Babab.

 

Hmmm maybe. We're trying to tie in some history with Lufgt the Lionheart being like Richard the Lionheart. Richard was admired by his subjects so maybe we can find another to call Lufgt the Tyrant of Badab (or maybe have someone else do that).

 

In ancient Greece, tyrants were influential opportunists that came to power by securing the support of different factions of a deme. The word "tyrannos", possibly pre-Greek, Pelasgian or eastern in origin,[4] then carried no ethical censure; it simply referred to anyone, good or bad, who obtained executive power in a polis by unconventional means. Support for the tyrants came from the growing middle class and from the peasants who had no land or were in debt to the wealthy land owners. It is true that they had no legal right to rule, but the people preferred them over kings or the aristocracy. The Greek tyrants stayed in power by using mercenary soldiers from outside of their respective city-state. To mock tyranny, Thales wrote that the strangest thing to see is "an aged tyrant" meaning that tyrants do not have the public support to survive for long.

 

From wikipedia.

 

Might make it easier to connect Lufgt the Lionheart with Richard the Lionheart using this.

[Culebras]

I think it would be cool if Lufgt Huron was still called Tyrant of Badab.

 

With the forces of Chaos defeated and Babab Primaris cleansed of it's taint, the Astral Claws once again took to the task of governing the world.

Rather then the loose reign the Bababarians (?) had enjoyed for millenia Lufgt Huron enforced an iron rule. Though harsh his rule is undoubtable effectif (sp?).

 

Captain Lufgt Huron of the __ Grand company of the World Eaters, unofficaly named Astral Claws, Savior and Tyrant of Babab and Commander of the Maelstorm Wardens.

 

I think that this would be cool cause it would make Lufgt Huron a Hero of the Imperium but hated by the people of Babab.

 

Hmmm maybe. We're trying to tie in some history with Lufgt the Lionheart being like Richard the Lionheart. Richard was admired by his subjects so maybe we can find another to call Lufgt the Tyrant of Badab (or maybe have someone else do that).

 

In ancient Greece, tyrants were influential opportunists that came to power by securing the support of different factions of a deme. The word "tyrannos", possibly pre-Greek, Pelasgian or eastern in origin,[4] then carried no ethical censure; it simply referred to anyone, good or bad, who obtained executive power in a polis by unconventional means. Support for the tyrants came from the growing middle class and from the peasants who had no land or were in debt to the wealthy land owners. It is true that they had no legal right to rule, but the people preferred them over kings or the aristocracy. The Greek tyrants stayed in power by using mercenary soldiers from outside of their respective city-state. To mock tyranny, Thales wrote that the strangest thing to see is "an aged tyrant" meaning that tyrants do not have the public support to survive for long.

 

From wikipedia.

 

Might make it easier to connect Lufgt the Lionheart with Richard the Lionheart using this.

 

It could also be that the people of Badab were more inclined to the Ultramarine way of thinking and thus were not so happy when Lufgt took over. One man's hero is another man's tyrant.

[Coryphaus 101]

Sounds good. Lufgt will take back the Ultramarines planets but the civilians will prefer the Ultramarine rule making him a tyrant.

[Kelbor-Hal]

Well, I'd prefer to take the story down the road which Allfather's entry suggests. Meaning, a space marine commander, no matter how influental and powerful he might be, can't be a planetary governor, if memory serves right. But he could be an unofficial leader (one with such carisma and skill, that even the appointed imperial governor submits to his ways), who can establish some sort of 'iron rule' (something like the normverse Cadia), but the people don't have to be against this (you don't see cadians complain too much...). So my question is: why don't we make Badab Primaris the DH Cadia in the outcome of the Badab War?

[Allfather1]

Well, I'd prefer to take the story down the road which Allfather's entry suggests. Meaning, a space marine commander, no matter how influental and powerful he might be, can't be a planetary governor, if memory serves right. But he could be an unofficial leader (one with such carisma and skill, that even the appointed imperial governor submits to his ways), who can establish some sort of 'iron rule' (something like the normverse Cadia), but the people don't have to be against this (you don't see cadians complain too much...). So my question is: why don't we make Badab Primaris the DH Cadia in the outcome of the Badab War?

 

While I like your suggestion, there is one problem (didn't think of it myself earlier). We don't know if a space marine can't be an imperial governor.

In the novel False Gods however Horus mentioned that he had appointed a mortal as governor of Davin. Now this might be just Horus not wanting to leave behind one of his sons or it could have been a decree by the Emperor who wanted his superhuman weapons of war were they should be, at the frontlines. Though this conflicts with the Iron Warriors garrisons. One could argue that those garrisons held no official power, but I think it would be best of someone more involved with the Dornian Heresy aswered this question.

 

I don't think there is an other way around it cause it would just be the Imperial Guard/Imperial Army problem all over again.

 

Or we could make it a tradition/law of the World Eaters that they would never be rulers. Something like Rogal Dorn said: I want recruits, not vassals. I can see Khârn saying something like that.

 

We are World Eaters, we are the blade of the Imperium, the tip of the spear.

We will not concern ourselves with laws or politics for to do so would be to deny ourselves the reasom we were created.

We are created for war and true sons of Angron will never let anything stand in the way of that duty.

[Culebras]

Been thinking about the "Sons of Medusa" a bit and I think I came up with an idea for them.

 

Alpha Legion file AAX32179.09.94

XX-cross reference: Sons of Medusa, Nova Terra Heresy,

threat level: Hereticus Minimus Hereticus Extremis (reclassified M37)

 

First encountered on <date redacted>, the Sons of Medusa were initially classified as cult of renegade members of the Adeptus Mechanicus which followed a number of heretical teachings. Composed primarily of renegade engineseers, tech priests, and Hereteks, the Sons of Medusa's message was deemed to specialized to present a sector wide threat and they were not deemed an immediate threat. However, in the wake of <Information redacted>, this was proven to be a grave error and a purge was ordered. However, the Sons had already spread their organization to many nearby systems.

 

In light of evidence secured at <redacted>, it is believed that the Sons of Medusa were created by the traitorous Iron Hands to provide them with human agents that could infiltrate areas and systems that the Iron Hands could not. To that end, the Son's operate on a cell-based structure with each cell (referred to internally as a clan) operating independently of the other. <cross reference: Lachesis, Mageara and Atropos> Genetic samples taken from first generation members indicate the presence of Medusan genetics, a fact that supports the theory that iron hands are directly behind the creation of new Sons of Medusa cults.

 

Attempts to infiltrate Sons of Medusa Clans have proven difficult. While superficially appearing human, members have received extensive cybernetic modifications that are not immediately visible. These bionics do not conform to any known type known to the Adeptus Mechanicus. The promise of these modifications, and the benefits they bring, is one of the Cult's main recruiting tools, though not all recruits survive the process. (cross reference: <Redacted>)

 

While initial reports indicated the Iron Hands had little direct contact with the Sons, recent incidents indicate otherwise. Increased sightings of Iron Hands arriving suddenly to assist besieged Sons of Medusa Clans have been reported across the Imperium, the largest of which occurred near the much contested Badab systems. given the uptick in sightings of these normally reclusive traitors, Alpha-1 has taken a personal interest in this matter

[Coryphaus 101]

Very nice. Alpha-1 will probably a group of AL marines who use the mysterious Minotaurs chapter for cover.

[malika666]

Storm Lords

One of the various Brotherhoods that formerly were part of the White Scars legion, the Storm Lords drifted off on their own in the millennia after Dorn's betrayal. The Storm Lords have raided many Imperial worlds during the years. Like the Legion they originated from, the Storm Lords prefer to use fast attack tactics, most of them mounted on bikes and land speeders. One thing the Storm Lords are infamous for is that they kidnap other Space Marines, both Traitors and Loyalists and indoctrinate them into their own ranks. One such infamous figures is former hero of the World Eaters named Zhufor; after the Vraks campaign Zhufor's company left the planet, ready to continue defending the Imperium. However, Zhufor's ship was ambushed by the Storm Lords and almost all of the marines aboard were killed by the Slaanesh worshipping traitors. Zhufor and a few others were captured. After months of torture and sorcery have turned the former World Eater hero. From that moment on the World Eater was no longer Zhufor, but Balzach.

[Kelbor-Hal]

I wonder what's up with Aurelius... How's your PC, Chief? And how are the Night Lords?

[Jordan-096]

when will we be seeing the Death Guard and Salamanders???

[Aurelius Rex]

Apologies for my absence from the board of late - the 'fix' on the pc doesn't seem to be holding properly, and a family holiday (where I have been painting up some tester Alternate Emperor's Children and modelling some Alt Word Bearers) has seen me unable to spend too much time here on the B&C.

 

Regardless of IT issues, the plan - which as you all know never seems to work - is to get the Night Lords IA posted by the second half of August. It has been one I was really looking forward to writing from the start, and so far it seems to be pulling together quite nicely.

 

So not to worry - I have not gone off to live in the woods, and the Night Lords are edging ever closer to fruition. :cuss

 

@Jordan - The Sals are due to come right after the Night Lords... then the last three (IF, SoH and DG) will appear first along with the second half of the Dornian Heresy articles collected together in the Legio Imprint PDF.

 

 

Now have to go and try to appease the Machine God... :)

[lee265]

Yet another reason to look forward to August.

 

Also good luck making the machine god happy as its very tempermental.