The_son_of_Dorn Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 well i think hes made something impossible happen by having the ultramarines for the first time ever imo seem interesting - being the perfect race but with the nearly the whole universe stacked agaisnt them only thing i dont like is that world eaters and such don't have a long history of new successor chapters with new names and themes - now THAT would rock. plus what about grey knights and such? will they be something new or switch roles with the likes of the custodes? overall v cool Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2207632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Rex Posted December 7, 2009 Author Share Posted December 7, 2009 This certainly is a long term project - to create an Index Astartes article for each of the legions in this interconnected alternate timeline. Bear in mind that each IA article has taken on average about two months from start to finish. On top of this the special project for this will bring together the articles presented here as well as three previously unseen articles on the Space Wolves, Thousand Sons and Blood Angels, as well as the original artwork to go with each of the articles. I saw the Thousand Sons artwork a fortnight ago and it just blew me away, the picture of Lorgar's last stand, surrounded by a sea of plague of Unbelief zombies is seriously creepy! We have even been lucky enough to get a huge fan favourite to do the the cover illustration - no spoilers, but it will be clear from the front page that this is not the normal 40K 'verse we are talking about! :huh: So there is a LOT of effort going into this from a lot of talented people... It just is going to take a little longer, but I am sure you will agree that it will be worth the wait. ;) As to the other questions and comments, the Ultramarines article was also posted in Liber Astartes at the time, and there was some excellent feedback and discussion about how the ins and outs of technical development in their realm which I want to put into the final article, but haven't yet been able to get round to... It boils down to the Ultramarines being more advanced than the superstition-mired Imperium, but have themselves been held back from unfettered scientific progress by the cultural feeling that 'If it was good enough for Guilliman, then it is good enough for me.' This has meant that while they have made constant evolutionary improvements to, say, their bolters, until recently they have resisted the revolutionary changes of instead using super death ray rifles. In a way the Codex Ultramar is so successful that it has become a barrier to further progress. Note also that the IA's are generally written with a slant to the perspective of the legion being described, so that events like Istvaan and the attack on Ultramar described very differently in the WE, EC, RG and WB IA's than the way it is told in the UM article. Briefly about variants of the Rhino and Land Raider, if they were post-heresy adaptations, the events of their creation / discovery are likely to be different. The Emperor's Children IA makes a sly mention of them pointedly not using the Tilvius APC recently - points for what that would be and why - along with throwaway mentions of some Predator and Raider variants with different names they also see as a corruption of pre-Heresy purity. If the LR Incinerator is a piece of parallel evolution to the LR Redeemer I will leave to your own imagination. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2207663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelbor-Hal Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Hey, I know this is some tremendous work here, appreciate it as well, big time. You see I check this thread almost once a day, I crave for even the slightest bit of information or new stuff. And yes, I know I'm a little fidgety, but you can't blame a fan for being a fan ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2207803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allfather1 Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I don't wish to rush you but can you tell us when you expect to have the next articile up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2207949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mordray Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Tilvius was the guy who discovered the STC for the Razorback variant of the Rhino... so I'd guess it's an in universe version of the Razorback... as for the Predator Dominator I'd hope it's an up gunned version of the predator destructor as that thing just doesn't impress me... It's an IFV that has the gall to call itself a tank... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2208062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekk_Sirius Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 We have even been lucky enough to get a huge fan favourite to do the the cover illustration - no spoilers, but it will be clear from the front page that this is not the normal 40K 'verse we are talking about! :yes: Aerion the Faithful? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2208373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Excellent work Rex! And so far its all been worth the wait. One question though, did the EC actually attack under a flag of truce like the Ultramarines said? I mean, I know I believe them *nervously looks over shoulder* because our benevolent overlords would NEVER lie to us...but just want to make sure. And a simple "depends on the IA" cop out works fine if ya dont want to specify. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2208434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogdan Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 This certainly is a long term project - to create an Index Astartes article for each of the legions in this interconnected alternate timeline. Bear in mind that each IA article has taken on average about two months from start to finish. On top of this the special project for this will bring together the articles presented here as well as three previously unseen articles on the Space Wolves, Thousand Sons and Blood Angels, as well as the original artwork to go with each of the articles. I saw the Thousand Sons artwork a fortnight ago and it just blew me away, the picture of Lorgar's last stand, surrounded by a sea of plague of Unbelief zombies is seriously creepy! We have even been lucky enough to get a huge fan favourite to do the the cover illustration - no spoilers, but it will be clear from the front page that this is not the normal 40K 'verse we are talking about! :D So there is a LOT of effort going into this from a lot of talented people... It just is going to take a little longer, but I am sure you will agree that it will be worth the wait. :) As to the other questions and comments, the Ultramarines article was also posted in Liber Astartes at the time, and there was some excellent feedback and discussion about how the ins and outs of technical development in their realm which I want to put into the final article, but haven't yet been able to get round to... It boils down to the Ultramarines being more advanced than the superstition-mired Imperium, but have themselves been held back from unfettered scientific progress by the cultural feeling that 'If it was good enough for Guilliman, then it is good enough for me.' This has meant that while they have made constant evolutionary improvements to, say, their bolters, until recently they have resisted the revolutionary changes of instead using super death ray rifles. In a way the Codex Ultramar is so successful that it has become a barrier to further progress. Note also that the IA's are generally written with a slant to the perspective of the legion being described, so that events like Istvaan and the attack on Ultramar described very differently in the WE, EC, RG and WB IA's than the way it is told in the UM article. Briefly about variants of the Rhino and Land Raider, if they were post-heresy adaptations, the events of their creation / discovery are likely to be different. The Emperor's Children IA makes a sly mention of them pointedly not using the Tilvius APC recently - points for what that would be and why - along with throwaway mentions of some Predator and Raider variants with different names they also see as a corruption of pre-Heresy purity. If the LR Incinerator is a piece of parallel evolution to the LR Redeemer I will leave to your own imagination. :) You said that each index astartes article and each legion has some illustrations and other artwork. Where could we see the illustrations and artwork for this project ? Thanks ,keep up the good job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2209029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skritz Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Only the upcoming ones will have illustrations. Like the loyalist Thousand Sons and the nurgle Blood Angels. *squee* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2209068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelbor-Hal Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Only the upcoming ones will have illustrations. Like the loyalist Thousand Sons and the nurgle Blood Angels. *squee* No World Eaters, EC and WB!? No way... :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2209080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Rex Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 The plan is to have the overview, the six IA's already published and the three upcoming ones (SW, TS and BA) will all have original art, and all come in a much more readable form. As to when, I am drafting the Blood Angels IA at the moment (their misdeeds during the Siege of Terra tonight!), so it will be early 2010... More details as things progress and I know more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2209135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master miles Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Rex you have got a great thing going here right up there with the HH books i cant wait till the next post. also ive been thinking of starting a chaos army for some time this post has given me the idea of what to do for it... traitor raven guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2209824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skritz Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 The plan is to have the overview, the six IA's already published and the three upcoming ones (SW, TS and BA) will all have original art, and all come in a much more readable form. As to when, I am drafting the Blood Angels IA at the moment (their misdeeds during the Siege of Terra tonight!), so it will be early 2010... More details as things progress and I know more. BA are next? Cool! 2010 shall be named "year of the pustule". :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2213231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 any updates for this AMAZING piece of work yet ? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2234451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Rex Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 Today sees the completion (at long last!) of the Blood Angel IA article. The artwork is still coming in - we are still waiting on some pieces - and what we have got continues to amaze. Oh, and happy 2010! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2234477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 indeed old bean :lol: - is there current art work as well and a link to where i may find it please? :P happy new year folks :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2235738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfGuardVortek Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I find your writing to be very engaging. I would tip my hat, but I'm not wearing one. Would you settle for some Fenrisian Ale? Also what's after the Blood Angels? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2236154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Huzzah!...is the story posted? if so, please tell me where. Also, Artwork linkage please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2236269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I like the timely switching of Curze, Guilliman being portrayed as a traitor ;), and the Emperor's successful meeting with Angron- I believe that is what he should have done from the very beginning- Angron may have remain loyal. Well, the Emperor could have indeed been a lot more sensitive to his sons, but that's not the topic of this article- otherwise I could rant on and on :(. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2236390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 All in good time people :) The wait will be worth it. Having proofread the Blood Angels (it's not like Aurelius really needs proofreaders anyway), I have to say that they are my favourite Legion so far! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2236402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 *melts in anticipation* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2238004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelbor-Hal Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Oh, the anticipation is really killing me now... I have to chop some eldar up, to chill. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2238289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfGuardVortek Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 The wait is killing me! I'm sure it will be worth it though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2247831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Rex Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 Thanks for everyone's patience - it has been a while since Ferrata's excellent White Scars IA advanced things on the board, but things have been stealthily advancing in the background. So it is time for a couple of announcements: Announcement One - Legio Imprints - the official B&C e-zine The first thing is that the first half of the Dornian Heresy (the overview, the six IA's published here and three new ones for the SW, TS and BA) will be issued as the premier installment of the B&C's official e-zine, the Legio Imprint. As said before, we have a number of very talented people providing the original artwork - more on this later - and what they continue to produce really brings the Dornian Heresy universe to life. ;) Announcement Two - Index Astartes: Iron Warriors to be posted on Valentine's Day This is going to take a while longer, but to keep you going the one month countdown starts today to the release of the Iron Warriors IA article. It is still taking shape at the moment, but I pledge that by February 14th, 2010, Valentine's Day will bring the story of Perturabo's legion to this very thread. :D Now if you will excuse me, I have a 'Homeworld' section to draft, then tear up and draft again! :blink: Regards, Aurelius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2248644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelbor-Hal Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Iron Warriors? Awesome! I'd like to see someone bring that legion to life, because their original story stinks out loud... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155430-the-history-and-legacy-of-dorns-betrayal/page/7/#findComment-2249143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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