Conor The Great Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'm thinking of starting a new deamon army.I love the idea and enjoy Chaos themed anything,only problem is that i have no idea where to start.I decided to post here and get the opinion from players who play Deamons,and no a gamesworkshop employee who just wants to sell me every thing(which i would prob end up doing :P ) Any way,help would be hugly appriciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Welcome to the dark side :P Thing about daemons is there is such a huge array of units you may want to limit your choices a bit, I do this by asking myself three questions. 1) Which God do I want to follow (Khorne/Nurgle/Slaanesh/Tzeentch/mix)? 2) Can I stand metal models? 3) What is my style of play? The first one is very important, dedicating yourself to one god will give you an extremely striking army, though not necessarily the most powerful. A mixed army will give you the most choice, but doesn't help you choose what models you wish to take :P The second question is pretty important, as if you don't like working with metal models it seriously limits the models you can get, but generally for a decent daemon army you're going to want some metal models. The third one is by far the most important question, as your style of play really affects what models you get, if you want a CC slaughterhouse army, buy some daemonettes and bloodletters, with a greater daemon leading them, and some princes in heavy support, with some screamers in fast attack for anti-tank. If you want a gunline list, get a ton of horrors for troops, a lord of change for HQ, and some heralds too, some flamers for elites, and soulgrinders for heavy. So, what exactly do you want from your daemon army? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1815755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 if you want a CC slaughterhouse army, buy some daemonettes and bloodletters, with a greater daemon leading them, and some princes in heavy support, Oh yeah :P I've always liked Khorne(hense the concentration of Chain Axe wielding Psychos in my mortal Chaos army :P ) I think id like the Slaughterhouse Idea,but wouldnt it be a bit of a one trick Pony(with spikes and 3 heads and a tail of knives and............) any way would you need more in the mix?and Metal models.....they can be a nightmare to assemble but are worth it when their finished. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1815780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Depends, there are two ways to go slaughterhouse, my personal favourite is a mixed god daemonzilla army, absolutely devastating, but it does require metal models, and has a low model count. The other option is to max out on daemonettes and bloodletters, with elites and fast attack added to taste, these armies have a larger model count, but don't have the raw power of daemonzilla (though bloodcrushers do come close). One trick pony... in a sense, but it's a hell of a trick :lol: biggest weaknesses of the slaughterhouse army is its lack of objective holders and ranged attacks, but if the enemies dead niether of these matter ;) hordes are damn near impossible to beat with a standard slaughterhouse army though, not enough attacks to wipe them out. Why don't you post a list and we'll see what we can do :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1815785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Chaplain Astador Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Well if your interested in a slaughterhouse, take a look at my log in the WIP forum, or my thread in this forum. :lol: I run a pure Khorne Daemon army. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=155126 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1815799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
==Me== Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Pure combat is lots of fun, but you've got a lot of options. Slaanesh units are fast but fragile, with lots of rending to hurt just about anything. Khorne units are slower, but tougher and hit a lot harder. Nurgle doesn't do much damage apart from DPs and the GUO, but they are notoriously difficult to kill. Tzeentch doesn't do much combat, but you'd be surprised what a shooting Daemon Prince is capable of. Also Soul Grinders are amazing. What kind of force did you want? A mix of various gods, themed around 1 or 2, swarms of little critters, monster mash, or a mix? You've got a lot of options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1815821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'm in the process of building up a small Daemon force to compliment my own Chaos Marines and what I've gone with is a dual god army, Slaanesh and Tzeentch in my mind. I'm building it kind of a fluffy counter to the Khorne armies were seeing of since it represents both of his rivals. I'm building on a huge base of the standard troops (Daemonettes and Horrors) backed up by some Heralds and Soul Grinders. I'm also a baby when it comes to Metal models so my army won't be complete until they release the 2nd Daemon wave of plastic Horrors and Plague Bearers. The Khorne army could possibly be considered a one trick pony, but then again any single god army would be (in my eyes). The good thing is that your one trick pony is fluffy for Khorne, as he doesn't want deception or guile, he wants slaughter and killing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1815837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'm Heading to my local store tomarrow(over 70km away in Dublin :( ) I am going to pick up Some painting supplies for Christmas(massive painting back log) and will pick my self up a nice new Codex and mabye a box of troops.So i'll get a List sometime tomorrow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1815840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Chaplain Astador Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Sounds like a plan! B) Can't wait to see what you come up with! Hopefully something good for the distance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1815899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 OK so i've had to put off going to the GW in Dublin till after christmas :tu: So in the mean time,can anyone suggest a decent army list?Prefrebly a very angry,slaughtery one :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
==Me== Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Any particular theme you want to stick to? Daemonzilla, hordey, mono god, multi-god, a mix? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Alright, this is a simple 1500 point butcher list (that I just made up, I'm sure it would be easy to improve it). HQ: Skulltaker w/ juggernaught Elites: 4x bloodcrushers Troops: 10x bloodletters w/ icon 10x bloodletters w/ icon 12x daemonettes w/ icon and trasfixing gaze Fast attack: 4x screamers w/ unholy might 4x screamers w/ unholy might Heavy support: 2x soulgrinder w/ phlegm soulgrinder w/ no upgrades You'll notice Nurgle has no units in this list, this is because he sucks at combat, except his princes who rule, but I thought this list might be better suited having 'grinders in heavy support. This list may or may not suit you, but it seems a good place to start, an alternative would be dropping Skully and the juggers to take a bloodthirster or keeper of secrets, both are excellent choices and will leave you with additional points for more lesser daemons. Edit- They're called bloodcrushers not juggernaughts :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 To my inexperienced Deamon players eye,that list looks pretty awesome. Is Skulltaker a better choice than a Bloodthirster/Keeper of Secrets? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Whether or not Skully is better than a greater daemon is a really tough question to answer for me to be honest, I'll give you the pros of each and let you decide. Skully: Cheaper (though he really needs a jugger and a bodyguard of 'crushers, so it's debatable), rending on a 4+, instant death on everything, IC, smaller target, not quite as scary as a greater daemon. Bloodthirster: Faster, stronger, higher weapon skill, extra attack (provided skully doesn't have a jugger). Keeper: Relatively cheap for a GD, fleet, high I, pretty decent in combat, probably the best all rounder. Probably the best is the keeper, but Skully on a jugger with 'crusher support will give you a serious uber-unit that will scare the enemy senseless, that may be their downfall unortunately, and they ain't cheap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 I'm being drawn towards Skully and his uber-unit.I cant imagine that an opponent would ignore them and would probly focus alot of fire on the unit,but on the flip side a Greater Deamon would also attract alot of attention.Is this the case??again i dont know.i have no experience fighting with Deamons and only one game against them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 I'm being drawn towards Skully and his uber-unit.I cant imagine that an opponent would ignore them and would probly focus alot of fire on the unit,but on the flip side a Greater Deamon would also attract alot of attention.Is this the case??again i dont know.i have no experience fighting with Deamons and only one game against them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Honestly, they both attract a lot of fire, GDs have better survivability on their own, while Skully has the body guard, it really is just personal choice, so if you want Skully and his uber-unit, take Skully and his uber-unit :P I personally take the bloodthirster, but I play daemonzilla, so taking anything other than a GD would just feel strange, I also take a lord of change for fire support, but that's not really the point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 What could you add to that list to bring it up to 2000 while still maintaining that Slaughterfest feel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Thing is with Skully and the Crushers, each has 2 Wounds (Skully has 3) Take a unit of 4 + Skully, and give them Instrument, Fury and an Icon. That's 5 different models for Wound allocation, each with T5 and a 3+/5++. That unit will not go down easily and on the charge delivers: 16 S6 WS5 I5 power weapon attacks 4 S6, WS5 I5 Power Weapon Rending Attacks 6 S6, WS7, I6 Power Weapon, Rending on 4+, IDing on 4+ attacks. Combined with DS that's an uberunit. Even a Devastor squad won't sink them and almost nothing will stop them in CC. They're also slightly easier to hide than a Greater Daemon. GD's suffer from a bad case of the "golly it's an MC, nuke it!" issue. And often die. Horribly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I'd probably take a bloodthirster, another ten man unit of bloodletters and some generic upgrades across the board, if you take a bloodthirster you have to take blessing of the blood god though, it's the best bargain in the 'dex as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 Damn i need a CODEX soooooooooo badly!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Damn i need a CODEX soooooooooo badly!!! Yes, yes you do :P you could always try ordering it off the GW site, you might get it sooner, though probably not this close to christmas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 Might get it cheaper to,(the euro exchane on GW products rips off us Irish gamers,things are far cheaper even in an actual GW store In england,but you didn't hear it from me) :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1816952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I woudn't worry about it too much, the codex will be there when you get to dublin, have no fear :) anyway, if you have any more questions feel free to ask, and you can always PM me if you don't want to start a new thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1817032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
==Me== Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Captain Malachi put up a solid list, I'm leery of the naked Grinder (rather get more Bloodletters or Flesh Hounds) but otherwise good. Skulltaker is great for the points, I'd only use GDs in larger games due to their high price. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/155478-new-to-deamons/#findComment-1817174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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