minigun762 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Here is the biggest thing I keep bouncing back and forth with, my HQ unit. I'm using either a Daemon Weapon Lord or a Twin Claw Lord, depending on points. I want a fairly cheap unit, mostly for his protection and here is what I've come up with. FYI I'm playing Undivided, so Cult units or marked squads. Choice 1: 9 CSMs, Icon of Chaos Glory, Flamer, Power Fist Champion, Rhino = 225 (more bodies, more attacks, scoring unit, mobile) Choice 2: 5 Terminators, Heavy Flamer, 3 Combi-Meltas, Power Fist, Icon of Chaos Glory = 190 (Better saves, better weapons, deep striking, cheaper) So in essence, scoring and more bodies or cheaper and more dangerous? For what it matters, the rest of the army is 3 Rhino CSM squads and a mix of Vindicators, Defilers, Predators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalodon Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I'm of the firm opinion that if the Chaos Lord is to be used he should have wings and go with Raptors or be in Terminator armor and go with a Terminator squad. So the Termies get my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 A small sidequestion. On the Termies, do you model the Icon on it or do you just say one of them has it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalodon Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I'm modelling mine. Using the chaos star banner tops from the WFB chaos warriors plastics. I'm mounting it on the top of the head guard above the hemet. I'll get a pic up of my icon bearer sometime tomorrow in my Plog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Hmmm are they of great use or can i skip on using them? As i don't have many icons or icon usable things left myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 option 2 is more common and for a good reason too. option 2 is more fluffy and more effective too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 well neither is very good as a body guard for a hth characters [zerkers would be best , close followed by pms] , but If i have to pick something it would be the csm squad. the termis force you to buy a LR and then there is only 4 of them . not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 well neither is very good as a body guard for a hth characters [zerkers would be best , close followed by pms] , but If i have to pick something it would be the csm squad.the termis force you to buy a LR and then there is only 4 of them . not worth it. And what about 4 Terminators with pair of claws and mark of Khorne? Striking from LR means death of 10-models terminator squad in 1 turn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 And what about 4 Terminators with pair of claws and mark of Khorne? Striking from LR means death of 10-models terminator squad in 1 turn... non scoring , costs a lot of pts , in most cases its over kill , because the same units can be beaten by the same lord+8 zerkers and if not then its probablly something you dont want to charge . you still have to run one guy with fist [but with just 5 man there is a chance that he is going to die] to counter MC/Walkers etc . you are forced to play a LR rush list[because as much as you guys may think LR are the best , everyone plays meta against it or he loses] , only if you do that you may as well go 2 zerkers in LR and its going to work better . + if its just a single squads there is a big chance that that high cost unit will kill one opponent unit and then die /get lashed or wont have range to any other units . terminators are not an assault unit , at least not the chaos ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I would go with termies, but give the termies combi flamers instead of meltas to gurantee hits and give the lord termy armour and combi flamer again. Lots of flamer templates works a treat :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DestroyerHive Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I'd know that - battle I had 2 days ago, a heavy flamer and combi-flamer killed 7 tactical marines in one turn of shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 terminators are not an assault unit , at least not the chaos ones. I'm curious why you don't think they are an assault unit? They come stock with a Power Weapon and decent enough save. Is it because they don't have access to a larger Land Raider, like the Crusader? My thought for deployment would be that both squads would be used about the same. 1) CSMs would use the Rhino to get to the center of the battlefield, Termiators would use Deepstrike. 2) The CSMs would shoot the turn they empty out of the Rhino and the Terminators would shoot the turn they Deepstrike (unless they have to run). 3) The next turns both squads would attempt to move to get into HtH combat with the enemy. In this light, both of the squads seem like they'd have a turn being vunerable but the Terminators would atleast have a superior save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 They come stock with a Power Weapon and decent enough save to few for an assault unit . loyalists can run 5 guys and an HQ. we get either 5 guys or 4 guys and a HQ . now termis are good because they are cheap and dont take pts away from hqs or other options , specially when run in small shoty squads . problem is that naked they are a bit sucktastics in hth . you have to give them a fist and the number of attacks isnt too good to , so icon of khorn . all that boosts the cost of a unit [that aint cheap , because of the LR and/or HQ] and even after doing all that they aint much better then the same LR , same HQ , but with zerkers [that are scoring and way better against horde] . for me an assault unit is zerkers or genestealers or an assault squad in BA . assault terminators with outflank in a LR , because of the crazy good SS. In this light, both of the squads seem like they'd have a turn being vunerable but the Terminators would atleast have a superior save. pms have more or less the same or sometimes better survival chance , but are troops . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 agree with the most part of what jeske said. Neither is good. If i run a lord, i run one with 8 zerkers. both de champion and the lord have fists then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 I suppose the easy answer is to just use a Daemon Prince, that way you don't have to worry about any kind of bodyguard unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blackbone Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Hell, if you are going cheap you could just take a small unit of CSM with a meltagun and put em in a Rhino. If you have some extra points, upgrade to an Aspiring Champion with powerfist. Even regular CSM get plenty of attacks and can put out a lot of fire. - Blackbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I suppose the easy answer is to just use a Daemon Prince, that way you don't have to worry about any kind of bodyguard unit.(crazy idea incoming) Or you could MoT+DW & Wing him, and join him to a 6-man Raptor squad with plasma guns and have them hunt elite infantry/bikers/skimmers. That's what I've been doing recently. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 I suppose the easy answer is to just use a Daemon Prince, that way you don't have to worry about any kind of bodyguard unit.(crazy idea incoming) Or you could MoT+DW & Wing him, and join him to a 6-man Raptor squad with plasma guns and have them hunt elite infantry/bikers/skimmers. That's what I've been doing recently. :rolleyes: Interesting idea Nihm, but why not use Bikers instead? They'll be able to fire out to 24" always thanks to being Relentless and those who don't have Plasmaguns will have TL Bolters which will provide more firepower than a Bolt Pistol. Of course the squad size would be 3-4 instead of 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron997 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I have been enjoying this with my Terminator Dark Apostle: 10 Terminators@ 360 - Icon of Chaos Glory - x2 Chainfists - x2 Combi-Melta - x2 Heavy Flamers Minigun knows why ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I suppose the easy answer is to just use a Daemon Prince, that way you don't have to worry about any kind of bodyguard unit.(crazy idea incoming) Or you could MoT+DW & Wing him, and join him to a 6-man Raptor squad with plasma guns and have them hunt elite infantry/bikers/skimmers. That's what I've been doing recently. :D That sounds extremely cool :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 it sounds crazy enough to work. maybe i'll try it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'm a bit confused about berserkers. All of you guys telling they are cool, but they are almost same troops with mark of khorne while fighting another chaos or marines. If you just need to cover your lord from shooting - i'd better take cheaper csm squad. It really looks great to take winged lord with raptors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeruel Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'm a bit confused about berserkers. All of you guys telling they are cool, but they are almost same troops with mark of khorne while fighting another chaos or marines. If you just need to cover your lord from shooting - i'd better take cheaper csm squad. It really looks great to take winged lord with raptors. Except they'll hit the majority of MEQ units on a 3+ because they have higher weapon skill plus on the charge they're likely strike first and wound on 3+ against MEQs. A unit of 8 Berserkers is going put out 32 attacks hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s and probably going first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I suppose the easy answer is to just use a Daemon Prince, that way you don't have to worry about any kind of bodyguard unit.(crazy idea incoming) Or you could MoT+DW & Wing him, and join him to a 6-man Raptor squad with plasma guns and have them hunt elite infantry/bikers/skimmers. That's what I've been doing recently. :) Interesting idea Nihm, but why not use Bikers instead? They'll be able to fire out to 24" always thanks to being Relentless and those who don't have Plasmaguns will have TL Bolters which will provide more firepower than a Bolt Pistol. Of course the squad size would be 3-4 instead of 6. I agree, the bolters would be a nice addition but Bikers are too costly for my points budget and the extra ablative wounds are nice to have. I'm a bit confused about berserkers. All of you guys telling they are cool, but they are almost same troops with mark of khorne while fighting another chaos or marines. If you just need to cover your lord from shooting - i'd better take cheaper csm squad. It really looks great to take winged lord with raptors.+1A, WS 5, Fearless and Furious Charge for a flat 6 points per model. As opposed to +1A for 3 points per model, in a 10-man unit (optimal). :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joah from Alberta Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Don't forget winged-lord can ride shotgun in a rhino squad then fly over to join into another jump squad. I say if you want to blast: 1 jump-lord with 3 spawn right up the jugular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.