Feel No Pain

[THATNIDKID]

Me and my friend fought over the rules of feel no pain.

 

Do Daemons with fnp if they get invuln save do they get feel no pain?

He says they do since in one of the first sentences it says you get fnp for unsaved wounds. But later on it says you don't agains power weapon, AP 1 and 2, ect

[Raptor1313]

It works like this...

 

Well, it really should be in the Rules section, but I'll answer.

 

Feel No Pain says that UNLESS the wounds come from power weapons, AP1/2 weapons, or hits that ignore armor saves (by rule, such as a Monstrous Creature's attacks), you get the 4+ Feel No Pain rule.

 

The invulnerable save has nothing to do with it.

 

So it goes like this...

 

Let's say you've got Plaguebearers in close combat with Orks.

A regular Ork hits you. No special attack. He wounds you.

 

You take your 5+ save...

you pass? Good. You pass.

You fail? Well, it wasn't a power weapon, didn't ignore armor saves, and wasn't an AP1/2 hit. So, you get your Feel No Pain roll.

 

A Nob with a Power Klaw hits you. Power Klaws are power fists; they ignore armor saves and double wielder's strength.

 

You get your 5+ invulnerable save

You pass? Good.

You fail? No Feel No Pain for you.

 

The latter goes for plasma, melta, and monstrous creatures and such.

[Captain Malachi]

As Raptor said, you get yout FnP, which is what makes plaguebearers so darned good at holding objectives, near impossible to shift.

[==Me==]

Don't forget that double you T also ignores FNP (S10 in the case of PBs).

[Captain Malachi]

Really? Must have missed that bit... then again, how many S10 weapons don't already ignore armour?

[eyescrossed]

Don't forget that double you T also ignores FNP (S10 in the case of PBs).

Actually, the wording is "If they would get instant deathed", but since daemons CAN'T get instant deathed, you could say that doesn't apply.

[THATNIDKID]

ok thank you.

 

and actually instant death does apply. in the rules it states even if you would normally ignore instant death you dont get feel no pain.

[djkest]

At least Plague Bearers are a natural T5, so it takes a S10 hit to ignore FnP.

 

Still if you think about it, FnP rocks. Very good against Tau, I found out recently, as they dont' have many things that can take FnP away.

[Mal]

and it evens the field with them pumping out massed Str5 shots.....

[eyescrossed]

But if it would normally cause instant death, it wouldn't against the PB's because they can't be instant death.

Am I right, or bending the rules?

But then again, it doesn't matter, because what has strength 10 and AP more than 2?

[flameseeker574]

Railgun?

[djkest]

No, STR 10 doubles their toughness, which normally causes instant death, thus negates FnP reguardless of demons being immune to instant death. If you read the rules for FnP it seems pretty obvious to me.

[I AM THE AWESOME]

Railgun?

 

 

On a plaguebearer?

[eyescrossed]

Railgun?

Railguns have AP1, which ignores FNP anyway.

[Ian Hockert]

I believe one of the tyranid guns in the hands of a fex has Str 10 without having a low enough AP value to negate feel no pain.

[eyescrossed]

Ah, the venom cannon.

[Roultox]

Feel no Pain and Eternal Warrior(daemon rule) are separate rules, and are not combined. So when an effect meets a trigger for feel no pain like instant death, feel no pain is negated, however due to the eternal warrior rule thats separate means they only suffer one wound and not instant death.

 

If you re-read feel no pain on page 75 of the rulebook it answers your question. "Even if the model has eternal warrior"

[Usopreme]

Deffrollas are also AP- and strength 10 if anyone was curious.

[eyescrossed]

You didn't have to say it that way - GW will sue! :lol: