THATNIDKID Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Me and my friend fought over the rules of feel no pain. Do Daemons with fnp if they get invuln save do they get feel no pain? He says they do since in one of the first sentences it says you get fnp for unsaved wounds. But later on it says you don't agains power weapon, AP 1 and 2, ect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor1313 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 It works like this... Well, it really should be in the Rules section, but I'll answer. Feel No Pain says that UNLESS the wounds come from power weapons, AP1/2 weapons, or hits that ignore armor saves (by rule, such as a Monstrous Creature's attacks), you get the 4+ Feel No Pain rule. The invulnerable save has nothing to do with it. So it goes like this... Let's say you've got Plaguebearers in close combat with Orks. A regular Ork hits you. No special attack. He wounds you. You take your 5+ save... you pass? Good. You pass. You fail? Well, it wasn't a power weapon, didn't ignore armor saves, and wasn't an AP1/2 hit. So, you get your Feel No Pain roll. A Nob with a Power Klaw hits you. Power Klaws are power fists; they ignore armor saves and double wielder's strength. You get your 5+ invulnerable save You pass? Good. You fail? No Feel No Pain for you. The latter goes for plasma, melta, and monstrous creatures and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 As Raptor said, you get yout FnP, which is what makes plaguebearers so darned good at holding objectives, near impossible to shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
==Me== Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Don't forget that double you T also ignores FNP (S10 in the case of PBs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Really? Must have missed that bit... then again, how many S10 weapons don't already ignore armour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Don't forget that double you T also ignores FNP (S10 in the case of PBs). Actually, the wording is "If they would get instant deathed", but since daemons CAN'T get instant deathed, you could say that doesn't apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THATNIDKID Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 ok thank you. and actually instant death does apply. in the rules it states even if you would normally ignore instant death you dont get feel no pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djkest Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 At least Plague Bearers are a natural T5, so it takes a S10 hit to ignore FnP. Still if you think about it, FnP rocks. Very good against Tau, I found out recently, as they dont' have many things that can take FnP away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 and it evens the field with them pumping out massed Str5 shots..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 But if it would normally cause instant death, it wouldn't against the PB's because they can't be instant death. Am I right, or bending the rules? But then again, it doesn't matter, because what has strength 10 and AP more than 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flameseeker574 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Railgun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djkest Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 No, STR 10 doubles their toughness, which normally causes instant death, thus negates FnP reguardless of demons being immune to instant death. If you read the rules for FnP it seems pretty obvious to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM THE AWESOME Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Railgun? On a plaguebearer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Railgun? Railguns have AP1, which ignores FNP anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Hockert Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I believe one of the tyranid guns in the hands of a fex has Str 10 without having a low enough AP value to negate feel no pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Ah, the venom cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roultox Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Feel no Pain and Eternal Warrior(daemon rule) are separate rules, and are not combined. So when an effect meets a trigger for feel no pain like instant death, feel no pain is negated, however due to the eternal warrior rule thats separate means they only suffer one wound and not instant death. If you re-read feel no pain on page 75 of the rulebook it answers your question. "Even if the model has eternal warrior" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usopreme Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Deffrollas are also AP- and strength 10 if anyone was curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 You didn't have to say it that way - GW will sue! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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