traxter Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 so if my cannon and techmarine are sitting in area terrain would my cannon not get a cover save due to half of the unit being in cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Id say it would depend on what is hit. The techmarine would follow infantry rules for being in Area - and automatically get his 4+. The thunderfire itself (if hit) would have to see if 50% of it was in cover since those are the rules we use for vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 The Thunderfire is part of the unit, even though it is out of cover the fact that the techmarine is in cover gives the unit 50% and so they both get a cover save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubei124 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Quick question about your post if they are both in area terrain how is half the unit not in cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 because the artillery piece is a vehicle and vehicle cover rules (also MC) require actual 50% LOS blocking - see BRB P.62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 The Thunderfire is part of the unit, even though it is out of cover the fact that the techmarine is in cover gives the unit 50% and so they both get a cover save. Seattle - good point. I'll have a think about that. At the moment I can't see anything RAW that can refute that logic, so I'll need to check my books at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Morticon , check the squadron rules on pg. 64. That is what I'm basing my agrument on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 you shuold base it on artillery, but the rules there are a bit thin. which is interesting, given that they are the only catagory of mixed infantry/vehicle units in the game. either way, I support the general 50% rule, even in this case - as contradictory as it may seem at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I didnt get the chance to check last night, so can i just ask do they follow the same 50% rule as regular squads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 There's no statements about cover - only what gets hit: gun or gunner. squadron cover rules on p.64 don't technically apply but do give a mechanic that shows that the logical application of both infantry and vehicle cover rules should apply here, and to MC/infantry mixed units as well. (check for each model to see if they are in cover, using rules applicable to the model type and ignoring other models in the unit) therefore, presumably the standard 50% of unit in cover counts. logically, I could see it go either way, but RAW seems clear enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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