Leman Russ

[Kasthan]

Did Leman Russ have Psychic powers? If so what did they do.

Also any other cool facts about him and his combats skills.

 

(I'm writing an Inquisitor Daemonhost character who faced him during the Great Cursade, and wished to know some stuff. Could not see any direct things about the great bloke himself, tried searching etc.)

 

Thanks alot.

[Lord Ragnarok]

From what I understand all the Primarchs had psychic powers. However IMO it is doubtful that Russ utilized them unless he determined that the powers were something other than "psychic" witchery (obtained power from some runes for example).

[OnlyInDeath]

Leman most definately did not have psychic powers. In fact, he may be the primarch who abhored psychics the most (hence being sent to Prospero kick butt and take names).

 

If you are going to claim that your daemonhost faced Leman in combat, you are going to have to come up with a mighty good reason that you didnt die. Leman was one of the most ferocious masters of close combat ever (If i remember right, this is the same primarch who single handedly took down a freakin Titan). He also was able to beat the pants off the emperor in a eating and drinking contest, if that helps any :)

 

Anywho, as far as specifics on what he looks like, i would rather let bjorn or one of the other wolf priests come in and fill ya in

 

Edit: you can also check out the prospero burns thread to see the newest concept art on Russ and his wolves

[Beef]

Actually I think Lord Rags might be right to a degree.

 

I think most primarchs had pychic powers but for most they were latent. Some would not even know they had any.

 

@ Only in death that titan thing neads some facrual backing. I myself have heard it but cant seem to find the true source for it. HAve you seen it anywhere?

[muzzyman1981]

I agree with Lord R too, I think every Primarch had some psychic powers the difference is that most were either unaware or refused to develop them into useful means. They may have only been the ability to have what most others think is hyper-awareness of the battlefield but may very well been a latent psychic talent to "see" the battlefield more clearly or with much quicker speed. However this is only my opinion.

[OnlyInDeath]

Actually I think Lord Rags might be right to a degree.

 

I think most primarchs had pychic powers but for most they were latent. Some would not even know they had any.

 

@ Only in death that titan thing neads some facrual backing. I myself have heard it but cant seem to find the true source for it. HAve you seen it anywhere?

 

Nay, I dont have any hard proof. I want to say it came out of a White Dwarf or something...I know I have read it, I just cant for the life of me remember.

 

As for the psychic thing...I dunno. Yes, the primarchs were demigods among men, but at the same time, they were created to embody an aspect of the emperor, and magnus got the dubious honor of recieving the gift of the psychic potential. And considering how much the wolves of that era LOATHED psychers, Russ chief among them, the self loathing that would be in undercurrent if Russ even had latent powers would be far too emo for me to stomach :P I would just rather go on thinking that he beats down enemies with a giant frost blade, which is much more my style :D

[Scout Sniper]

All the primarchs had latent phsychic powers, in some of them like Russ and Angron these powers manifested as superior combat ability and endurance, even for primarchs with others it was tactical ability, leadership etc. and with some it was actual recognisable powers.

[OnlyInDeath]

I'll just play the devil's advocate here, but does anyone have any print to back up the latent psychic thing?

 

From my understanding psychers in the time of the original founding were an incredibly rare thing. Obviously it's entirely possible that all the primarchs have latent psychic powers as they were created from the gene seed of the greatest psycher to manifest itself in the galaxy. But at the same time, I just dont remember reading anything that flat out says that the primarchs did have these powers.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that almost none of the chapters of that time had any librarians, as that was a development that occured post heresy to combat the powers of the warp that made themselves known at that time. The original marines were created from the gene seed of the primarchs and therefore were made in their image. This is why there were a plethora of psychers in the 1k sons and also why, to my knowledge, there were no rune priests during the time of Russ being alive among the space wolves (tho i'm not 100% sure there were no rune priests, I just have no recollection of reading fluff on them being around at that time). the psychers that I know about in the pre-heresy era were navigators, astropaths, 1k sons and their primarch, and the emperor. Even sanctioned psychers werent prevalent back then as humanity had not yet begun the slow degredation that has been occuring for the last 10,000 years (in game terms).

 

This is the thing about "latent" psychic powers, they're so hard to pin down! Either way, would love to read any fluff regarding this, so please reference!

[Lord Ragnarok]

All the legions had psykers but were forbidden to use them after the council of Nikea.

[Scout Sniper]

I'll just play the devil's advocate here, but does anyone have any print to back up the latent psychic thing?

 

I got that peice of info about latent powers from a friend of mine who works in GW and knows a few of the fluff writers. I don't know if it's written down but I'm pretty confident it's accurate.

[muzzyman1981]

My thing was just opinion =)

[Combat_Vet]

I always thought the 1K sons were destroyed for using sorcery. The act of manifesting warp power to create an effect.

 

There are lots of referance to psychic powers in the HH books. Most of the powers are presience, the ability to see future events. There is also the female remembrancer (sorry, forgot her name), that can call forth power "in the Emperor's name" (a display of pyrokenesis) and also slow time.

 

I see all the Primarchs having psychic abilities, at least in a limited fasion. "Seeing the evil" within a man, a "nudge" to use the right tactics in battle, the ability to shrug off the attacks of a demon. Let us also remember that a few of the Primarchs grew to manhood without human interaction, at least one of them even "talked" to animals. All of these things are an uneducated (in fluff sense) way of desribing psychic powers.

 

Of course all of this is just part of my overactive imagination. No evidence to back it up.

 

Better days,

[Kasthan]

The daemon is to be defeated and banished. Thanx alot.

[OnlyInDeath]

Very good and valid points 200Plus! I wouldnt say it's an over active imagination at all. Anywho, i guess we answered the question posed, while only going very very off topic lol

[Vash113]

I'll just play the devil's advocate here, but does anyone have any print to back up the latent psychic thing?

 

Indeed, the Horus Heresy material makes it quite plain. All Primarch's possessed some psychic ability. Now this doesn't mean they could all call up thunderbolts and what not but at the very least all the Primarchs were capable of seeing into the warp and guiding ships just like the Navigators who are both mutants and psychers. Some possessed other powers in addition to this, even Russ is likely to have had some latent abilities in one way or another tied into the runes probably.

 

All the legions had psykers but were forbidden to use them after the council of Nikea.

 

Sorcery was forbidden at Nikea but Librarians continued to exist and utilize their psychic powers if I recall correctly. After all much of the HH material includes the use of Librarians after Nikea.

[Kasthan]

Some of the posts also say that Rune Priests did not exist. Is this true?

Seems unlikely as the Rune Priests are in the 13th Co. list and fiction, and Russ sent the 13th Co. after the 1k Sons.

 

Could this be cleared up as it will be very useful.

[Vash113]

Some of the posts also say that Rune Priests did not exist. Is this true?

Seems unlikely as the Rune Priests are in the 13th Co. list and fiction, and Russ sent the 13th Co. after the 1k Sons.

 

Could this be cleared up as it will be very useful.

 

Yes Rune Priests did exist, they have to for the 13th Company to have them. I suppose their abilities revolve around casting the runes and using rune stones, and calling up storms. Not blatantly "magical" powers like other Legions Librarians doubtless utilised and would have been viewed more acceptably by the Space Wolves.

[lunchb0x]

As far back as I can remember not ALL primarchs had psyker powers...only select ones...some better at this or that, some better looking than others. Each was different. I dont remember ever hearing of Russ having Pysker powers...though if he did, it would most likely be able to pick the best tasting Ale.

[Vash113]

As far back as I can remember not ALL primarchs had psyker powers...only select ones...some better at this or that, some better looking than others. Each was different. I dont remember ever hearing of Russ having Pysker powers...though if he did, it would most likely be able to pick the best tasting Ale.

 

Well some Primarchs are known for specific powers but they were all forged from sorcery and dark age science, so they all were imbued by the power of the warp to an extent, again why they could guide ships through the warp like Navigators, even stubborn Russ. :woot:

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

On the cover of Prospero Burns, Russ seems to have two Sisters of Silence. If he had psychic abilities of any note that having those two in tow may have been more than a little distracting.

[Vash113]

On the cover of Prospero Burns, Russ seems to have two Sisters of Silence. If he had psychic abilities of any note that having those two in tow may have been more than a little distracting.

 

The Sisters of Silence played a big role in the defense of the Emperor's Palace which was commanded by Sanguinius, one of the more blatantly psychic Primarchs and didn't seem to hamper him in the least. *shrug*

[Vassakov]

All Primarchs were latent, or possibly even subliminal psykers - ie they used "psychic" abilities unconciously. Certainly none were blanks, most had a fairly strong warp signature.

 

Secondly, most Daemons are banished and not destroyed. Whilst Russ would have had no problems rending a Daemons flesh, it would merely cast it back into the warp. Indeed, some Daemons are so powerful not even the Emperor could unmake them - only banish them from the mortal world. So it is entirely possible (even likely) that it came head to head with Russ - and lost.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

The Sisters of Silence played a big role in the defense of the Emperor's Palace which was commanded by Sanguinius, one of the more blatantly psychic Primarchs and didn't seem to hamper him in the least. *shrug*

 

Maybe the little jessie was too far away flapping those buggie wings of his to be in range ;)

[Vash113]

Maybe the little jessie was too far away flapping those buggie wings of his to be in range :D

 

Well the battle lasted for quite some time, weeks and more and Sanguinius led the defense everywhere, in the sky, along the walls and so forth he had to be in close proximity to the Sisters of Silence at some point.

[Grey Mage]

Ill note the Leman Russ like all primarchs could travel and guide ships through the warp without turning into navigator monstrosities or passing on the naviagator gene to their "children".

 

I always assumed that this at the very least was a psychic power they held in common.

 

As for librarians VS sorcerors..... well I think the difference is Innate vs esoteric.

 

Librarians develope powers that are already built into their psyches and harden their mind against warp influence.

Sorcerors develope their ability to touch the warp and interact with it... wich opens them up to influence.