why are there no other large warp rifts?

[Sons of Horus]

i just noticed that the only major warp rift in existence is the Eye of Terror. this was created by the birth of Slaanesh and the Fall of the Eldar.

 

now my question is, if Slaanesh is the youngest major chaos god and his/her birth created a massive warp rift then why didn't the other three major chaos gods create massive warp rifts when they were born? or if they did, why don't they exist anymore?

 

does the materium fix itself over time and if it does then that means the Eye will be gone some time in the future as well leaving no home for the chaos legions.

[Razhbad]

not quite certain, though the other 3 caused a massive turbulent time which saw the death of millions, the end of the old ones & the slumber of the C'tan.

 

The EoT was created from the warp leacking out of millions of eldars heads.

 

There are other warp areas like the EoT though none as big. The next largest is the Maelstrom there is also a storm that frequetly engulfs the Madusa V system.

[Magnus Thane]

Indeed and the EoT is slowly expanding. So it's doubtful it'll close by itself i think.

Though little information regarding it all is available as far as i know.

[Brother Nihm]

You will find mention of several large rifts in the Daemons Codex.

[Smurfalypse]

In reality it would make 100% sense that the galaxy would heal itself overtime. There are hundreds of examples of different enviroments, animals, nature in general healing itself given a set amount of time with NO involvment from humans. During world war II the pacific became off limits for commercial fishing, by the end of the war a census was done and they had found that the general fish population had increased by about 70% over the decade. The true might be said for any "sore" on the galaxy, remove the reason and it will mend itself over the course of time. So if something were to rid the realm of the chaos gods the rift may close ect ect...

[Razhbad]

The difference is the warp defies logic and science so it may not heal in time, my guess is it would only heal if all life was wiped out and there were no souls to feed the warp entities any more, thus brining their ruin

[Mutt-Man!]

Thats what the tyranids were created for. =)

[Smurfalypse]

The difference is the warp defies logic and science so it may not heal in time, my guess is it would only heal if all life was wiped out and there were no souls to feed the warp entities any more, thus brining their ruin

 

Anything that is there is part of nature, its just how it is. Everything has its inherent counter balance. Crown of thorns starfish devours a coral reef. The coral reef harbors all of its known predators. All of the predators of the predators of the crown of thorns are greatly affected by the crown of thorns poison, so they do not bother them. This goes on and on, and as the scale goes up in size it stays intact. Eventually if it were reality you would come to the eye of terror and find that there would indeed be something that keeps it in check or it would have taken over everything already :lol: The galaxy like any eco system would repair its wounds over a period of time if left to its own devices. However that would also mean that some other things work in favor of keeping the eye of terror around and thus the great balance.

 

Said like a true tree hugger!

[Captain Malachi]

Smurfalypse, the whole point of the warp is that it DOESN'T conform to the general ideas and laws of the rest of reality.

 

To answer the original question, the EOT was created by the eldars deaths, not the birth of Slaanesh (this is a little complicated as Slaanesh's birth is what killed the eldar....). The other gods were created in a slightly different way, they took considerably longer and this is probably what stopped a warp rift from being created, and if it was created it would have been smaller. (these are just my ideas by the way)

 

Another possible explanation is that while most warp rifts close over time, the EOT is being kept open by the traitor legions hiding out in it somehow, perhaps their sorcerer's constant use of warp energy is feeding it, or maybe their heretical pacts with daemons are feeding it? I don't know, it's just a possibilty, honestly I think my first idea is more likely.

[TheDarkApostle]

The Eye of Terror is an "artificial" warp rift you could say, since it wasn't created naturally. The Maelstrom however, is a natural warp rift that doesn't cease to exist either.

 

Now the main thing that keeps the Eye for going exponentially are the massive amounts of anti-warp pylons the Necrons had erected on Cadia and nearby planets before going to their stasis sleep.

 

TDA

[Smurfalypse]

Smurfalypse, the whole point of the warp is that it DOESN'T conform to the general ideas and laws of the rest of reality.

 

To answer the original question, the EOT was created by the eldars deaths, not the birth of Slaanesh (this is a little complicated as Slaanesh's birth is what killed the eldar....). The other gods were created in a slightly different way, they took considerably longer and this is probably what stopped a warp rift from being created, and if it was created it would have been smaller. (these are just my ideas by the way)

 

Another possible explanation is that while most warp rifts close over time, the EOT is being kept open by the traitor legions hiding out in it somehow, perhaps their sorcerer's constant use of warp energy is feeding it, or maybe their heretical pacts with daemons are feeding it? I don't know, it's just a possibilty, honestly I think my first idea is more likely.

 

If a bunch of people get together and all decide to do nothing but pee on a specific patch of grass, then that grass will turn brown and die in a bit. The warp was caused by the eldar dieing ect ect. These are natural beings whos deaths caused a certain event, this is still a natural occuring thing, thus governed by the laws of nature? lol this is a very odd topic and probably not one for this thread but i wanted to just explain where im coming from a bit.

[Razhbad]

Indeed the warp does get power from souls but it defies any reasoning. For example every god within the warp, Chaos & Ork is 1 and the same god & evey individual god aswell wanting to destroy each other also.

 

1 person can look into the warp and see nothing, someone else will go mad & someone else will get a deamon stuck in their head. You cannot explain the warp rationally at all, and it is not governed by the laws of nature, there is no Gravity or Time within that realm. The only reasoning for it is every warp entity gets power from emotions and souls.

[Kadaeux]

Well there is the Maelstrom and the Storm of the Emperors Wrath which are both major "permanent" Warp Storms, and where there are Warp Storms there is increased Chaos Activity.

[Smurfalypse]

Indeed the warp does get power from souls but it defies any reasoning. For example every god within the warp, Chaos & Ork is 1 and the same god & evey individual god aswell wanting to destroy each other also.

 

1 person can look into the warp and see nothing, someone else will go mad & someone else will get a deamon stuck in their head. You cannot explain the warp rationally at all, and it is not governed by the laws of nature, there is no Gravity or Time within that realm. The only reasoning for it is every warp entity gets power from emotions and souls.

 

Just because you cant explain something at a moment doesnt mean it wont ever be able to be explained. Even now the faster you travel time actually slows down and will stop when you approach the speed of light, this is explained in physics (have no idea how exactly). Point is just because you dont understand doesnt make it supernatural, even now we see things around us and blame it on very very stupid things. A strange light in the sky must be aliens visiting, sea monsters, big foot, the jersey devil, the chupicabra, now im not saying any of these dont exist but if you look at it from the standpoint we are discussing right now it makes a little more sense. Just because something cant be explained now, doenst mean its supernatural.

[TheDarkApostle]

Indeed the warp does get power from souls but it defies any reasoning. For example every god within the warp, Chaos & Ork is 1 and the same god & evey individual god aswell wanting to destroy each other also.

 

1 person can look into the warp and see nothing, someone else will go mad & someone else will get a deamon stuck in their head. You cannot explain the warp rationally at all, and it is not governed by the laws of nature, there is no Gravity or Time within that realm. The only reasoning for it is every warp entity gets power from emotions and souls.

 

Just because you cant explain something at a moment doesnt mean it wont ever be able to be explained. Even now the faster you travel time actually slows down and will stop when you approach the speed of light, this is explained in physics (have no idea how exactly). Point is just because you dont understand doesnt make it supernatural, even now we see things around us and blame it on very very stupid things. A strange light in the sky must be aliens visiting, sea monsters, big foot, the jersey devil, the chupicabra, now im not saying any of these dont exist but if you look at it from the standpoint we are discussing right now it makes a little more sense. Just because something cant be explained now, doenst mean its supernatural.

Except what you just said all adhere to the laws of psychics. And the whole thing with the Warp is that the laws of psychics does not exist.

 

TDA

[Smurfalypse]

Only because it wouldnt be understood yet, which was the basis of my whole paragraph :) LOL this has to be on par with arguing who would win a fight, Kirk or Picaard....Also with the laws of physics there are loopholes and ways to get around certain things. for example, the laws say that you cannot travel faster than the speed of light, however there are probably some loopholes that are already being explored that might surpass this. In the 40k universe this could be explained away as such, something that is not yet understood and is very hard to explore because well, everytime someone goes near it daemons attempt to bite their faces off. That in no way should exclude the fact or idea that it isnt a natural occuring event.

 

Not to long ago we burned people at the stake for saying earth was round,we threw people on the rack because they belived the earth revolved around the sun, we worshipped volcanoes/lions/locusts, we had thousands of different gods for each and every event, for every weather pattern, then eventually science explained all of these things away. Same series of events could easilly be applied to something fantasy like the 40k universe, especially since it is based on our society just 38k years into the future.

 

Then again i guess it could actually be something totally odd and unexplainable ever. But that would have to be proven :P

[Razhbad]

You don't really get the Warp much do you. The one thing every single source book tells you about the warp, is that it is unexplainable, completely random and deffies the laws of nature.

[Kadaeux]

Razhbad is right.

 

The C'tan who are MASTER OF SPACE AND TIME don't understand it. Thus if it was possible in the material universe then the C'tan would know, understand and could manipulate it.

 

Instead they not only don't understand it they're allergic to it (so to speak)

[Razhbad]

The Old Ones were the true master of the Warp and Science and if they were not even able to understand it. If they were they would've realised that the species they were creating was having dire effects on the Warp.

 

The Eldar have had millions of years to study chaos and the warp, yet with that vast knowledge they couldn't see what damage their thoughts were doing until it was to late.

 

Another example the warp itself has a habbit of ripping apart the material realm into helish new shapes different everytime. But Ork ships don't always need a Geller field there own psychic power can protech them, yet not with other race.

 

And 1 final point in the Fall of Medusa V campaign the Tau Empire's Earth Caste was asked to study warp travel and the science behind it to help the Empire. Even the very science on how ships enter, stay in & exit the warp was enough to drive them mad.

[Kadaeux]

And 1 final point in the Fall of Medusa V campaign the Tau Empire's Earth Caste was asked to study warp travel and the science behind it to help the Empire. Even the very science on how ships enter, stay in & exit the warp was enough to drive them mad.

 

The Tau aren't exactly mentally equipped for survival in 40k. Poor fish-faced aliens.

 

Lucky they haven't pissed off the Imperium really badly yet.... Lucky... for them that is.

[Razhbad]

More lucky that the Tyranids turned up, gives the Imperium something more dangerous to think about.

[Smurfalypse]

I understand all of your points that everyone thinks it is unexplainable. What im saying is that just because you cannot explain something doenst make it "magic" or "defies reality" it would just be something that has yet to be understood. We are talking about a fantasy game so it doesnt really matter, but because you see something that doesnt fit somewhere doesnt mean you go into whoogy boogy mode. Lets call this one a draw and agree to disagree.

[Razhbad]

The reason we say things like it defies reality and the laws of nature is because GW do, the reason we say science can't explain it is because every GW, WD & BL source about the warp tells us this.

 

Indeed mankind has become superstitious in the 41st millenium and has lost alot of scientific knowledge and understaning how things can be explained. But 1 thing that is mentioned the moment you start fantasy/40K and sources, is that the Warp defies science, nature, understanding, reality & logic.

[Sons of Horus]

exactly. it is a fantasy game with a fantasy warp. therefore anything and everything the game makers say must be taken as canon. they say the warp defies all reason, logic, and physics, then it does simply because they say so.

 

anyway thanks for all the ideas :D

[Kadaeux]

I understand all of your points that everyone thinks it is unexplainable. What im saying is that just because you cannot explain something doenst make it "magic" or "defies reality" it would just be something that has yet to be understood. We are talking about a fantasy game so it doesnt really matter, but because you see something that doesnt fit somewhere doesnt mean you go into whoogy boogy mode. Lets call this one a draw and agree to disagree.

 

No its not a draw.

 

You. Are. Wrong.

 

Especially when the 2nd Edition "Fluff" book (Codex Imperialis) explicitly stated under its description of the warp that the warp was ANTI-REALITY.