Michael31 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Hi I have been wondering this for some thime why is it that chaos spacemarines have can not have Plasma cannons and multi-meltas this is really annoying because I love using Plasma cannons and multi-meltas on my dreadnoughts but I would love to my squads of chaos spacemarines and havocs plasma cannons and multi-melta especially in my nurgle army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alloyslayer Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 well there has to be some difference between the choas codex and the vanilla codex :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeruel Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 It's a fluff reason. At the time the Traitor Legions turned to Chaos Plasma Cannons and Multi-Meltas were still newer technology and man portable version were not yet available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 The fluff reason is that man held plaz cannons and multimeltas were not invented until long after the heresy and the csm's tech pretty much stopped at the time of the heresy. But like slayer sz, it's to make s/m and csm armies different and for game ballance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex_911 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Its for game balance and to differentiate the two armies. But even for fluff thats a fairly week argument. Cant chaos marines just steal a plasma cannon from a dead loyalist, show their Dark Mech guys and ask em to make it lol. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 nope they cant , even in the renegade chapters all non dread mounted plasma canons and meltas are ritially destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trolly Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 this is what i always want to ask so much how renegade marines lost the tech they still have their techmarine with them, do they? why the tech gone? and i think they steal for the loyalist after battle this is why chaos marines need to have two codex, onwe for renegades and one for legion cheers :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 oh but there were Plasma Cannons during the great crusade and they were man portable :ph34r: read Horus Rising somewhere near the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trolly Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 not to mention horus heresy artbook in the 3rd novel galaxy in flames emperor children dreadnought already equipped with assault cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drac0 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 in the 3rd novel galaxy in flames emperor children dreadnought already equipped with assault cannon. But dreadnought equipped is not man-portable. The firing mechanism is different, as well as the power supply. And we're talking about Plasma Cannons. I do believe that during the Heresy there were very few prototypes of the man-portable hence the reason why you don't see any among the chaos ranks. (Although this doesn't explain why don't chaos marines just scavenge them from marines - I guess it would be to keep the C:CSM different from the C:SM) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Well, you could see it as that Plasmacannons, just like everything else the SM use, is DNA-coded to prevent the enemy from using it. Because of that Chaos can only salvage and use stuff that either A; they can make themselves and thus by-pass the DNA coding, or B; things that doesn't need DNA coding. Of course you could argue that they should simply be able to use their Warp-spawned powers to trick it/defile it so they can use it but I suppose said defiling/bypassing just breaks the weapon down ^_^ TDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar_Bubonicus Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 well there has to be some difference between the choas codex and the vanilla codex :D No counting - assault cannons, conversion beamers, land raider varients, land speeders, attack bikes, SANE dreads, venerable dreads, chappies, medics, command squads, razorbacks, scouts, thunder hammers, storm shields, whirlwinds, drop pods, sternguard, vanguard orbital bombardment - Cult troops, obliterators, summond daemons, icons, reaper cannons, dirge castors, daemon weapons My cynical view is that it is a great way of making chaos players invest in expensive oblit models if we want effective heavy weapons. After all GW is in business to make money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberrant_unc Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 A devastator squad with plasma cannon and multimeltas killed Khârn's girlfriend during the 11th black crusade. Ever since then, chaos has been afraid to use these weapons since Khârn can show up at any time to slay your ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 this is why chaos marines need to have two codex, onwe for renegades and one for legion But they do have one for recient renegades, it's called C:s/m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 in the 3rd novel galaxy in flames emperor children dreadnought already equipped with assault cannon.Remember who wrote it though, Counter has a long history of fluff-mangling and this is no different. :woot: Our Dreads do have Multi-Meltas though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corpse. Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Apocalypse. ' /thread (I always wanted to do that) =p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 hmm i guess the best we can do for now is set up some house rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterOfDisaster Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 well just think of it this way...if we were to have all that great tech that the marines have, then we would be essentially marines, only better...i remember in the previous chaos codex the word bearers could have chaos chaplains. and the iron warriors could have techmarines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 well just think of it this way...if we were to have all that great tech that the marines have, then we would be essentially marines, only better...i remember in the previous chaos codex the word bearers could have chaos chaplains. and the iron warriors could have techmarines. What's wrong with that ? Marines have Inquisition support and their own tools. Chaos should be better, and more expensive than loyalist anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 What's wrong with that ? Marines have Inquisition support and their own tools. Chaos should be better, and more expensive than loyalist anyway. This. Honestly, it makes absolutely no sense that the 10,000 year old hard bitten survivors of constant war have less elite units than those just a fraction of their age. I mean really, a loyalist is considered a veteran after 300 years, chaos marines were still yelling "for the emperor!" when they were just 300 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 The real reason why CSM don't get man portable plasma cannons is that they gave up on them after 10,000 years of "Gets hot!" rolls. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Easy answers: - Chaos did it. - They all blew up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travh20 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Along these lines, why can't I give my Bezerkers flamers? Or better yet, why cant my loyalist assault marines carry melta guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Storm of Iron had a chaos marine with a multi-melta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Along these lines, why can't I give my Bezerkers flamers? Flame pistols would be cool uhm hot i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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