Mr Yellow Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 That chaplain looks really good. Is there a shot of him whilst still green? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2849715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamenter Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 That chaplain looks really good. Is there a shot of him whilst still green? You can backtrack through this thread to find it or click this link to see all five posts on my blog featuring the models development from start to finish: http://masteroftheforge.com/tag/grey-knight-chaplain/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2849737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamenter Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Sorry I've not been around lately. A lot of distractions. I'm going to be trying to add content to this thread and my main site masteroftheforge.com with a bit more frequency in future. This isn't technically an Artscale/Truescale mini, but what the hell it's my thread :D This is a rebuild of the stock Vulkan He'stan into something a bit better than the existing skipping rope pose. http://masteroftheforge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/vulkan2.jpg http://masteroftheforge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/vulkan3.jpg http://masteroftheforge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/vulkan4.jpg http://masteroftheforge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/vulkan5.jpg I knew that this being a regular scale conversion I wanted to use the existing model as a base to work from, because despite the pose it still has many nice features. I began by cutting away the bulk of the body. I attempted this cutting away with a dremmel kit, but in the end I settled on using a pillar drill and an 8mm drill bit just for the sake of saving time. With the release of Finecast I guess we aren't going to see so many difficulties working with white metal anymore, and that's something I'm quite thankful for. At first I only removed the lower legs but after much dry fitting I ended up also removing shoulder pads to give me more freedom with the pose. I remove the pads with a pair of clippers but I would advise anyone using clippers on metal not to use the GW brand as they simply aren't strong enough (I've had a pair of GW clippers snap and nearly take my eye out a few years back). The stubby blade on the spear was removed and replaced with a GK plastic blade. The rest is largely self explanatory. The pose itself was largely inspired by this piece of John Blanche artwork from the old Epic range product (I forget which) with a Blood Angel captain in the center. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2887937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekLee688 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 That's a sweet naginata/glaive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2889823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Great sculpting work, as always, but that Vulkan figure is still so meh, even with your improvements(notably, the spear). I wished they had stuck closer to the art work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2889907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamenter Posted October 26, 2011 Author Share Posted October 26, 2011 Thanks guys. I should have an update for you soon, been really busy with a lot of other stuff lately, but I'm currently working on my first Primarch. I did manage to get some mechanical talons cast recently, which is a first for me. They turned out really nice, and I've got a list of things (sorry not truescale marine parts) that I'll be making to have cast up. http://masteroftheforge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/storetalons.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2909148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamenter Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 This is the starting point of my first Primarch project. I've been putting off doing any Primarch for a long time because I want the finished model to really capture that extra special something that makes them so special. This particular project features the twin Primarchs Alpharius and Omegon. To do this I'm making a plain body of legs and torso that I will then mold and cast. The two models need to look very similar with a slight modification in pose. I may attempt to do a two part Blu-Stuff mold tutorial with this but it might be pushing the limitations of the material to do so, so we'll have to see. The starting point for me is this image (ironically of a different Primarch conversion). There is something of the "strategist leader" in that pose and will be the what I use for Alpharius. I think Omegon will have a bit more of a "sneaky, in the background pose". To start this project I begin with the legs as I always do. There are no existing plastic terminator legs in anywhere near the right pose to use as a frame work so I've had to resort to sculpting them from scratch. Because of the Alpha Legions leaders being very practical and not ones for unnecessary decoration the armour itself will be fairly plain. I'll be relying on the cloak to really set the model apart, but I'm also aware that the model being so plain will require it to be very sharply finished. The slightest imperfection in the largely featureless armour will stick out like a sore thumb so it is very important to get the sculpting perfect. This hasn't been easy, in fact what is shown here is my fifth attempt at making the legs. http://masteroftheforge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/alpharius1.jpg The pose is finally spot on what I'm after. The feet are perfect, the left greave needs a bit more refinement. The waist and torso will be done fairly easily as the size and shape are already in place and require just a new skin. For the head I've stripped down one of the grey knight heads, just because the facial details are so nice and sharp and far and away beyond anything I could sculpt. When I work on Omegon he will use the same head (obviously). http://masteroftheforge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/alphariushead1.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2913329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorns Padawan Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Love the He'Stan conversion Lamenter, very nice & clean. Scaled cloak looks class! I like how smooth you get you minis, do you start smoothing out the GS as soon as you have applied it or do you wait 30-435 mins before shaping it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2913340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Lamenter sculpts a Primarch. Dreams do come true! Eagerly awaiting what you come up with mate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2913453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamenter Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 I like how smooth you get you minis, do you start smoothing out the GS as soon as you have applied it or do you wait 30-435 mins before shaping it? I work with it immediately. After half an hour it's firmed up too much to get the defects out of it. Having said that I don't make much use of metal tools. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2913515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxmarine Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I like how smooth you get you minis, do you start smoothing out the GS as soon as you have applied it or do you wait 30-435 mins before shaping it? I work with it immediately. After half an hour it's firmed up too much to get the defects out of it. Having said that I don't make much use of metal tools. 30-435 min thats quite a while :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2913522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q0rbin Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 These guys are to goodlooking for my eyes, it's really burns right into my soul. You're like 40ks sculpting Heman, the master of the universe. HEMAN!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2913527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamenter Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 I've had very little free time the last couple of weeks so progress hasn't gone as far as I would have liked. I've also really struggled to get this accurate. I had to redo the belt strap because my first attempt placed it way too high, and I also ended up sculpting the chest plate twice and even then I had to file it down to size. I think I'm a little out of practice. http://masteroftheforge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/alpharius2.jpg http://masteroftheforge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/alpharius3.jpg The helm is just a stand in for the moment. It's quite unusual for me to cut away, file or sand Green Stuff after I've sculpted something but in this case I'm trying to make the model as polished as possible because I want to take casts of it. Whilst I don't recommend them for the price I have found GWs emery board sticks quite useful for getting a more polished finish, especially when used under a running tap, at least easier than using sheets of the stuff. On the whole, I'm very pleased with how this is taking shape. I definitely think the model will need a cloak to help frame the finished thing and mark it out as an extraordinary character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2922983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestat Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Looks great so far - the armour plates are suitably heavy looking and look like they could stop a round from a Baneblade! I use a fine grade abrasive paper from Tamiya. I think I picked it up in a local model shop for less than 2 quid for about 5 sheets. I tend to cut it into smaller strips and use it that way. It's easily pinned or glued to a lolly stick or similar if you wanted to use like an emery board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2923117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Yellow Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I'm wondering what source material you are basing your sculpt on. As I understand it Alpharius and Omegon are identical (duh) but also they wear unsnazzy armour so they can't be picked out easily so anyone can claim to be them. That being said are your dudes going to be bigger than your regular true scale marines (as we all imagine primarchs to be physically superior to marines) or have them the same size, which follows the whole look like the rest of em path. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2923139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamenter Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 Looks great so far - the armour plates are suitably heavy looking and look like they could stop a round from a Baneblade! I use a fine grade abrasive paper from Tamiya. I think I picked it up in a local model shop for less than 2 quid for about 5 sheets. I tend to cut it into smaller strips and use it that way. It's easily pinned or glued to a lolly stick or similar if you wanted to use like an emery board. That would be a better option. Three tiny emery boards were £3.25. I guess I just picked them up because I'd used up my own supply. While I was there the staff also tried to sell me the new tool for removing flash. Can't remember the price tag but it was effectively just a piece of metal with a handle. It never ceases to amaze me just what GW will try to sell to it's customers and just how much they mark up the prices on their tools. I'm wondering what source material you are basing your sculpt on.As I understand it Alpharius and Omegon are identical (duh) but also they wear unsnazzy armour so they can't be picked out easily so anyone can claim to be them. That being said are your dudes going to be bigger than your regular true scale marines (as we all imagine primarchs to be physically superior to marines) or have them the same size, which follows the whole look like the rest of em path. I don't have one specific source, just a collection of images to draw upon. These are about the same as my other truescale stuff, maybe a little taller because of the straight legged pose. I'll be trying to find the middle ground between being too plain and too unsnazzy. I think a big cloak will make the difference obvious enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2923240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestat Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Looks great so far - the armour plates are suitably heavy looking and look like they could stop a round from a Baneblade! I use a fine grade abrasive paper from Tamiya. I think I picked it up in a local model shop for less than 2 quid for about 5 sheets. I tend to cut it into smaller strips and use it that way. It's easily pinned or glued to a lolly stick or similar if you wanted to use like an emery board. That would be a better option. Three tiny emery boards were £3.25. I guess I just picked them up because I'd used up my own supply. While I was there the staff also tried to sell me the new tool for removing flash. Can't remember the price tag but it was effectively just a piece of metal with a handle. It never ceases to amaze me just what GW will try to sell to it's customers and just how much they mark up the prices on their tools. I know that feeling. About 8 months ago I picked up a pack of wire brushes from my local DIY store. There were 2 brass ones, 1 steel and 1 plastic bristled brush - all for about a quid. Then last month GW release a brush which is almost the same as the one I picked up for an eighth of the price :P I agree with you about the flash tool - it really is useless. A good, sharp blade held at 90 degrees and scraped along where the flash is works for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-2923252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANOAT Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 men, you are a good of the green stuff... I take my hat, MASTER....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-3042781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANOAT Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 how much for this model http://masteroftheforge.com/files/images/g...terminator4.jpg how much for this model Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-3047488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamenter Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 how much for this model http://masteroftheforge.com/files/images/g...terminator4.jpg how much for this model I'm afraid it's already sold, but I am currently working on a tutorial to show how to convert artscale / truescale terminators, maybe that'll be some help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-3047519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly_bear Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 That Vulkan model is brilliant....well done. Rob Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172997-lamenters-actual-scale-space-marines/page/18/#findComment-3047520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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