chrac Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Would the inquisitor-sized models be too large for a primarch conversion? I was thinking of trying something with battle brother artemis from that line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Well in the HH book I think I remember it saying somewhere that Primarchs were "as to astartes as astartes are to men". This exact description is also used for terminator suits. So basically a primarch is around Terminator size when in PA? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2055384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Primarch's are generally a head higher then a normal marine about a foot! Apart from Magnus who is a bit on the large size and Alpharius and Omegon who are the same size as the fluff and story would suggest (I am Alpharius). Â I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2056077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Generally quite a bit larger, but not 54mm scale - that's far too big. Â You would be best doing a "True Scale Marine" for a Primarch, using Terminator components. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2056337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Not really, in the Collected Visions there is a nice 2 page spread with Horus planning his assault on Earth (the one with the red angel), that is a good representation of size. Â I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2056466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rau le Creuset Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Not really, in the Collected Visions there is a nice 2 page spread with Horus planning his assault on Earth (the one with the red angel), that is a good representation of size. Â Sorry, I don't think so at all. In the picture even taking into account perspective and that Horus stands a little lower than the rest of the Astartes present, he is just about the height of Abaddon. In the books he is described as easily towering the Mournival (even Abaddon). There are several pics of Primarchs with their retinue of Terminators and they are even taller than them by half a feet (?). Â I got a Primarch miniature on my desk and he's exactly 47mm from head to toe in power armour, which compared to the rest of my Space Marines looks just perfect. Therefore I think Inquisitor Scale is not fit for a conversion, although I saw a nice pre-heresy Angron made out of Tyrus (which is quite small for 54mm). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2062090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffstix Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I believe they are to a marine, what a marine is to a man, so around 3 metres tall. Head and shoulders above a marine, so to speak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2062098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantDaKiller Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Most of the conversions i've seen have them about a head taller than a terminator. The plastic Chaos lord is a good base(Its slightly taller than a normal terminator) if you can make the legs and body look like power armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2062481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 It depends on the Primarch. As said prior, Magnus was probably the tallest, Alpharius-Omegon being the shortest. I can quite easily see Angron being the largest all around, he was a hulk even compared to other Primarchs (that means you too, Russ!). Mortarion was also exceptionally tall compared to other Primarchs as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2062800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tuditanus Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I agree on Magnus, but I don't remember Angron being tall, or Motarion. At least, tall enough to warrant special consideration. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2062883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Vulkan was known as a very strong primarch, perhaps the burliest, if not the tallest. And I seem to recall Russ being on the shorter side. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2062888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffstix Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I agree on Magnus, but I don't remember Angron being tall, or Motarion. At least, tall enough to warrant special consideration. Â Mortarion was tall. In "Flight of the Eisenstein" His waist is level with a marines chest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2062977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selerox Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Horus' height was reffered to during the vision he was shown when he was injured. When he was walking through the crowds, he was mentioned as being half as tall again as the tallest people in sight. If you esimate that the tallest people in the huge crowd were roughtly in the region of 6'4" tall (as an average esimate), that would make Horus the better part of 10 feet (3.3m) tall. Â A scale of 9 - 10 feet is roughly how I imagined most of them to be, which exceptions such as Mortarion being significantly taller and Alpharius/Omegon being shorter than that (standard Astartes height, as has already been mentioned). Â I think the heigh range of the Primarchs is likely to be fairly wide, in keeping with their appearances, as well as the fact that they're all "splinters" of the Emperor's whole as it were. I'd think Primarchs such as Angron and Vulkan to be much "bigger" in build than most, with Primarchs such as Corax or Lorgar being much more slightly built (according to Fulgrim and Tales of Heresy). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2063035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Mortarion was definitely tall since an astartes was about as tall as his chest or maybe a bit less. Alpharius/Omegon may have been small but it says in Legion that were still bigger than the average astartes. Magnus was a monster! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2063155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP13 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Most of the conversions i've seen have them about a head taller than a terminator. The plastic Chaos lord is a good base(Its slightly taller than a normal terminator) if you can make the legs and body look like power armour. Â Actually, in the Index Astartes article about the Alpha Legion, it notes that Alpharius was in fact quite tall. Â I can't remember for sure, but in there, he's as tall as Horus, if not a bit taller? Â So... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2063299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffstix Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Mortarion was definitely tall since an astartes was about as tall as his chest or maybe a bit less. Â As I said. A normal Astartes chest would reach his waist. So probably just a little smaller than his chest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2063390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rau le Creuset Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Alpharius war taller than an Astarts, but it is mentioned in "Legion" that some normal Marines were fit to act in is stead. So we can assume he was taller, but not so much taller than the rest of the Primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2064062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP13 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Alpharius war taller than an Astarts, but it is mentioned in "Legion" that some normal Marines were fit to act in is stead. So we can assume he was taller, but not so much taller than the rest of the Primarchs. Â Hmmm.... I don't know about that. Â As previously stated (and I'll look it up later tonight!), I think Alpharius has actually been noted as being exceptionally tall amongst Primarchs. Â So, it would stand to reason that his Legion, made from his geneseed, is also on the tall side. Â Tall enough to 'fool' anyone else thinking they were looking at the 'real' Alpharius? Â Probably! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2064442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Well, the original batch of alpha legionnaires were noted for being big and burly, even for astartes. So if they were bigger than your average marine, it would be easier to hide a primarch, in this case Alpha/Omegon, who was normal primarch size (3 meters or so) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2064461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tuditanus Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Alpharius war taller than an Astarts, but it is mentioned in "Legion" that some normal Marines were fit to act in is stead. So we can assume he was taller, but not so much taller than the rest of the Primarchs. Â Hmmm.... I don't know about that. Â As previously stated (and I'll look it up later tonight!), I think Alpharius has actually been noted as being exceptionally tall amongst Primarchs. Â So, it would stand to reason that his Legion, made from his geneseed, is also on the tall side. Â Tall enough to 'fool' anyone else thinking they were looking at the 'real' Alpharius? Â Probably! Â Actually, I believe in Fulgrim it makes note of him standing tall and erect, as if to try and measure up in stature to his brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2064485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Khammon Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Magnus the Red was the tallest of all Primarch. There is a picture of him with his "dwarf" Terminators bodyguards ^_^ Â Alpharius is about the same size as a marine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2064731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Zaku Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Well, there's a problem regarding the Alpha Legion. Didn't it mention in Legion that the Marines working with Alpharius and Omegon were altered to look more like their Primarch(s)? If that's the case, then maybe the Marines mentioned therein were inordinately tall for Astartes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2065021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP13 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Well, there's a problem regarding the Alpha Legion. Didn't it mention in Legion that the Marines working with Alpharius and Omegon were altered to look more like their Primarch(s)? If that's the case, then maybe the Marines mentioned therein were inordinately tall for Astartes? Â Given all that we 'know' from the Index Astartes article and LEGION, yes, probably. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2065284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 As I said earlier, the first batch of Alphas were noted for being extra big and extra burly, even by Astartes standards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2065323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I'm quite sure Alpharius was actually on the shorter side of the Primarch stature, which make use of his stealth and covert ops within the Legion even better. Think of it... if he's tall, even for a Primarch, having an normal Astartes stand in for him would be a waste of time. I'm sure he's a little taller then your normal Space Marine, but not by much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/#findComment-2066683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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