c-wrex Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I agree with you DuskRaider. What I'm saying that it'd be easier for a shorter primarch to blend in with Astartes if they were a bit bigger in height and across the chest than a standard marine. Shorter Primarch+Taller Marines=easier deception for Alpahrius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2066729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astalon Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Could it not be that they were able to falsely claim to be Alpharius because the Alpha legion were primarily dealing with non-astartes who wont distinguish between their heights as readily as one who is around them a lot simply because they're so much bigger than ordinary humans that that's all they can comprehend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2066805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP13 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 From the Index Astartes article on the Alpha Legion: "Two days later, the rest of the Luna Wolves fleet arrived, summoned by the cruiser's distress signal. The legion's Primarch, Horus, was shuttled straight to the stricken cruiser, furious at the crew's failure to deal with such insignificant attackers. He found the command deck in a state of high alert, for a small group of the enemy had somehow managed to board the cruiser. They had split up to evade capture in the ship's endless corridors and service decks, and those that had not already been found and eliminated now seemed to be converging on the bridge. Horus waited for them. As five men burst onto the deck, he shot four of them through the head before they even had a chance to act. Without pause the fifth shot rang out, but the last man was different. More than foot taller even than the Luna Wolves Space Marines, he had piercing green eyes and looked almost a match for Horus himself. Somehow, even at such close range, the man sidestepped fast enough that the bolt shell only grazed his temple and exploded against the bulkhead behind." and "With astounding prescience, the Emperor had ordered their founding just a few decades before. The new Space Marines were tall and strong, much reminiscent of their Primarch, and were possessed of a cunning intelligence." Of course, it all comes down to which source is 'right', or, 'more correct' than the other! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2067320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Vulkan was known as a very strong primarch, perhaps the burliest, if not the tallest. And I seem to recall Russ being on the shorter side. # Where exactly does it state Russ was on the shorter side?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2082291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Beef: I have no quotable sources, but it seems to be heavily implied in art and stories of Russ being dwarfed by other primarchs, like Magnus (and yes I understand he is extra tall for a primarch). If you happen to have any evidence to the contrary I would happily accept it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2082362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 In Fallen Angels The Lion is said to be 3.5 metres tall. So there's a hard number for one of the primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2082972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathTyrant Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 That's blooming huge. :) 3.5 meters = 11.4829396 feet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2084151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 All Astartes are "tall and strong". Alpharius being a foot taller than even a Luna Wolf might still put him in the "short" range for a Primarch: BL, after all, stated that Astartes range from 7 to 7.5 feet in height, which would make Alpharius anywhere from 8.5 to 9 feet tall. At any rate, it's all a moot point. I think it's a fair bet that it's not Alpharius that is seen in "Fulgrim". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2084185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP13 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Looking "almost a match for Horus himself" would seem to imply that he wasn't that much shorter, or shorter at all, than Horus... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2084239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 and Horus was mentioned as being one of the larger/taller Primarchs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2084853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathTyrant Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 I've just had a thought. What it we take into account the wings that Sanguinius was rocking? :P Wings pointing skyward Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2087211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Cause then we'd need to take into account the pipes comin out of Angron's head. And what if we stood up Russ' hair? It'd be at least 16, maybe 25 feet :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2087481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathTyrant Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Which makes it all the more fun. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2087839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Alpharius war taller than an Astarts, but it is mentioned in "Legion" that some normal Marines were fit to act in is stead. So we can assume he was taller, but not so much taller than the rest of the Primarchs. Alpharius was slightly smaller than the normal Primarchs, but only a bit. The reason he was cloe in height to his marines is that the first batch of marines from Terra in their geneseed were exceptionally big, like a Terminator, and only they were used in meetings with non-Alpha soldiers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2087978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashulaman Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 The picture of horus confronting the emperor on his ship with the CSM surrounding them, they are far smaller than "a head" its safe to assume the primarchs and the emperor were 9-10 feet tall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2092848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Hunter Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Have you noticed that the only Primarchs height that you guys are having trouble with is Alpharius Omegon :( More Alpha Legion trickery :D On a more serious note someone said before about Angron not being tall. In the second HH book, he's described as being massive, as in he's tall and he's built like a baneblade. He's the polar opposite to Mortarion and Magnus, who are both tall yet slim (for a primarch) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2096227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Magnus was a giant in all respects meaning he wasn't just tall but also largely built. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2096637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Maybe he was the token fatty? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2096742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Its one of the great things about Magnus is that psyhically he might have been the greatest of primarchs (No I'm not saying he was the best fighter or even the strongest but maybe if he benched pressed more....) but it was his mind he always used.... Mortarian is I think is maybe even close to the height of magnus but not as well built being a bit boney. I then had Alpharius being the shortest (even if not by a lot), I also have in my mind pigion boy as being a smaller primarch but maybe that is just because he was supposed to be young looking (lucky blood angels :D) and so could have been tall. I also had Angron being pretty big all round and russ being smaller but still a larger(and art work can be very deceptive or inaccurate ^_^) primarch. I then had everyone else in the middle somewhere :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2097015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 My Russ is just under 50mm and looks about right on a scenic base Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2097075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I say Magnus is tallest, followed by Mortarion, and that Vulkan is the strongest/burliest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2097121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Hunter Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Angron definetly the Craziest though :D Then it's Russ (You guys might find this a random comment but hey i'm random) :P Who was the most talented warrior? Just wondering ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2097329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Let's not bring up the whole "Who's a better warrior" thing please :P everyone will just defend their own Primarch :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2097868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Hunter Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Actually good point, don't listen to me :D So yeah Magnus was pretty big :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2098559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Let's not bring up the whole "Who's a better warrior" thing please :P everyone will just defend their own Primarch :lol: Actually, my Primarch may happen to be Mortarion, but I think without a doubt that Angron was the best warrior of the Primarchs. In hand-to-hand combat, I highly doubt any of his brothers could match him. But that's just my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173878-scale-of-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-2098776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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