ArcticFox Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I just finished Legion and a thought occurred to me at the end- What if the Cabal is a faction of the Dark Eldar, and not the Eldar themselves? This would open up some interesting implications, like the possibility that the Alpha Legion was tricked into fighting against the Emperor out of loyalty. The Alpha Legion, being pragmatic as can be, might be much more difficult to turn to Chaos through ordinary means, and so they used the pragmatic nature itself as the lever... Possible? Impossible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 If I've read it right the cabal never pretended to just be Eldar, they're a cabal of xeno, not just eldar. BUt you're right, it could have been a trick of some type, thats part of the irony inherent in the horus heresy series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 It could have been a trick but I think Alpharius would have at least had a slight hint that he was being tricked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingDeath Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 It could have been a trick but I think Alpharius would have at least had a slight hint that he was being tricked. Well, Alpharius was ultimatly tricked. Everything he wanted to avoid happened and his legion is now a tool of the Chaos Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hengist Ironfang Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 It could have been a trick but I think Alpharius would have at least had a slight hint that he was being tricked. Well, Alpharius was ultimatly tricked. Everything he wanted to avoid happened and his legion is now a tool of the Chaos Gods. This doesnt mean he was "Tricked" all it means is the Alpha Legion failed to tip the balance in the heresy, The Cabal were counting on the fact that having the number of traitor legions outnumbering the loyalists combined with the elements of surprise and planning (ensuring The Wolves, Blood Angels and Ultramarines were out the way) would result in a resounding win for Horus, what would follow was the traitor Primarchs turning on each other fuelled by chaos destroying themselves or at least leaving a greatly weakened threat the Cabal could erradicate, Alpharius obviously agreed that it would work. From what we know there is no evidence to show that the Cabal had ulterior motives their gamble simply failed, Alpharius turned to Chaos of his own free will thinking it was better for the Galaxy should the imperium burn out rather than mire everything in millenia of war with chaos with his beloved father a cripple in constant-unending agony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Hmmm... I see what you mean but Alphy would have known a trick. He is better at manipulating than the Cabal so could tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticFox Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 I'm not sure Alpharius would have known, for sure, if it was a trick. His Legion uses the deception and misdirection approach it's true, but at the end of the day there's no reason to conclude he'd be the best in the galaxy at it. The Cabal, or even Chaos itself, would have been playing that game for a lot longer than the Alpha Legion, so while I do agree the case for that theory is weak, it's still quite plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Alpharius-Omegon is the best. Whatever you say :P Anyway, the DE worship Khaine, not Chaos. Only a few do and they are outcasts of outcasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hergrmir Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 The Dark Eldar actually don't seem to worship Khaine either. They just love only themselves. But I think the cabal's role is deeply ambiguous. Were they lying? Was their own vision wrong? Was Alpharius tricking them and playing for his own agenda? Where's Tzeentch during this? Where's Ahriman? Is Tzeentch also Alpharius? One of the many, many things that make Legion ridiculously awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 The Cabal, as previously noted, are a collection of Xenos races older than man (referred to as the Old Kind by Grammaticus). The Eldar mentioned, Slau Dha, was of the Craftworld variety and possessed an insectoid translator of a species I cannot remember (even though I'm currently re-reading Legion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warp spider Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 No i dont think they were tricked, just that the gambit failed. Its an interesting idea though. I am 'considering' making some models for the cabal and counting them as a seer council in apoc...any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 No i dont think they were tricked, just that the gambit failed. Its an interesting idea though. I am 'considering' making some models for the cabal and counting them as a seer council in apoc...any ideas? One Eldar Autarch called Slau Dha.. Thats my input :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warp spider Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 No i dont think they were tricked, just that the gambit failed. Its an interesting idea though. I am 'considering' making some models for the cabal and counting them as a seer council in apoc...any ideas? One Eldar Autarch called Slau Dha.. Thats my input :lol: GREAT! its not like ive read legion or anything... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 No i dont think they were tricked, just that the gambit failed. Its an interesting idea though. I am 'considering' making some models for the cabal and counting them as a seer council in apoc...any ideas? One Eldar Autarch called Slau Dha.. Thats my input :lol: GREAT! its not like ive read legion or anything... :D Ask for ideas and thou shalt receive... Plus I mentioned him already somewhere above if you've been reading! :jaw: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piousservant Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Just because the Alpha Legion turned to Chaos doesn't mean that Alpharius agreed/was going along with the Cabals plan anyway. Maybe he reckoned they could cause more damage to Horus from the "inside" than by fighting him directly. Maybe it's their fault that the Heresy ended the way it did, thus ensuring the survival of humanity for a little longer. The end of Legion is pretty ambiguous. Why should Alpharius believe everything the xenos cabal said anyway (and where did it say he did)? And even if he did, maybe he'd rather humanity live on in some form than be wiped out completely just to defeat "chaos" on behalf of a load of has-been aliens... We don't know for sure. Chances are (hopefully) we never will. It reminds be of the Alpha Legion IA where most people assumed Alpharius was killed by the Ultramarines. I always found that strange as the article went to great lengths (to my mind) to stress how dubious that information was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Here are the ultimate questions: Are the Alpha Legion traitors, loyalists, or somewhere in between? I think probably the latter two. I imagine they are loyalist, but due to prolonged exposure to Chaos's warping effects, some have probably fallen. Is the Cabal's end goal accurate? Possibly. The Eldar tend to have a hit and miss ratio with predicting things. Thankfully, the Cabal has many different races, with different abilities. Is Alpharius still alive? Maybe. Is Omegon? Maybe. What the hell was up with the giant salamander? No clue, I'm thinking a pet got onto the gaming table. Will there ever be a sequel? I hope so. I asked Santa and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 From what we know there is no evidence to show that the Cabal had ulterior motives their gamble simply failed, Alpharius turned to Chaos of his own free will thinking it was better for the Galaxy should the imperium burn out rather than mire everything in millenia of war with chaos with his beloved father a cripple in constant-unending agony. SPOILER ALERT I know that there was a huge BL discussion on how the AL jumped to Chaos and all the reasons why, but after re-reading Legion again, I don't buy the logic behind the position. Let me see if I can put the whole argument in very simple terms. 1. Aliens arrange a top secret meeting with the AL after saving their butts, via Grammaticus. 2. The Aliens tell Alpharius/Omegan, if you keep doing what you are doing, the galaxy will suffer a long slow painful decline OR you can jump over to the side you've been fighting against, help the bad guys win, which will cause the human race (including themselves) to go the way of the dodo. However, all is not lost, because the rest of the known races (i.e. xenos scum) will have been saved. The Aliens don't even offer to think fondly of them on New Years. To reinforce this position, they take the Alpha Legion to the galactic equivalent of IMAX and really wow them. In the process, their one super psyker's head explodes. What a coincidence that the one guy who just might be able to discern the truth experiences a migraine with extreme prejudice. 3. Alpharius/Omegan look the aliens straight in the eye and say, "what we do, we do for the Emperor", or words to that effect. Does anyone really believe that the AL would sell out the human race so that the rest of the xenos scum can live happier ever after? Really? It seems much more likely (at least to me because I am a secret AL groupie) that the AL are either: i. playing both sides to extend the conflict as long as possible until they can effect a solution ii. Still loyal to the Emperor, but playing both sides to extend the conflict as long as possible until they can effect a solution iii. Or they could be playing both sides to extend the conflict as long as possible until they can effect a solution I don't see the AL possessing the self-loathing that would justify that kind of action. I think it much more likely that they are stalling for time. My two yen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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