Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Looking like a decent start. I will want to get to face it Saturday, so shoot me an email if you need a greenstuff donation. thanks nick, i am makign a brief attack run later in the week (maybe wenesday) to jax, so i can definetly make a run by a game store. i hope SCC but i'll take any other than wd. the store has a fantasy tourney going on during the day, and corey has waited 2 weeks to crack at the new wolves. but if you got the time i can fit you on my dance card! and thanks for the offer, i will definetly remember that generousity. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2129232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin of Death Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 If you really want to do a lot of sculpting there's this as a basis http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/148386796_d1dd787159_o.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2130487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 If you really want to do a lot of sculpting there's this as a basis http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/148386796_d1dd787159_o.jpg :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2130500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 If you really want to do a lot of sculpting there's this as a basis http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/148386796_d1dd787159_o.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/tyggrr65/Gifs/prosit.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2130529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemal Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Noticed this thread and thought I'd share a pearl or two of wisdom.. 1) - Wolves are loping creatures - look at real wolves for ideas... Here is a nice sculpt of a stalking wolf (and probably the right size for 40K - look at the height - its roughly 23 mm at the shoulder, so shoulder high to a space marine..): https://www.thunderboltmountain.com/images/goblins/8530.jpg Looking at the proportions, I am pretty sure that the High Elven steed could make agood proxy (and be a good use of a pretty poor model all told..) The main issues are around teh head positioning - the legs are about the right size, and if teh shoulders could be bulked up with fur, and the nex essentially repositioned to be pointing forwards, I think teh model is a good one.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2138533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 ~Saga of the Thunderwolf Conversion~ quick how to wouldn't go amiss methinks for anyone planning on entering the 'chopping up plastics so I can have them before they come out' brigade. Hope it makes sense and there aren't too many mistakes ~Chapter 1 - The Wolf~ For the basis of the wolf i needed something big enough and the lion from the high elf chariot is both appropriately shaped and appropriately shaggy at the right end. It does however present some problems; 1-You have to buy elves....as a long time dwarf player this makes me feel quite dirty as I'm sure you'll all understand. This can however be overcome by beer and realizing you can chop them up. 2-They're cats. Thankfully see point one about the chopping. 3-At £15 for two they're a little pricey...but if you sell the whole rest of the chariot you can probably knock a fiver off of this So we start with this, the lion cut out of it's sprue; http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/270920091061.jpg As you can see we also have the head and tail of a goblin wolf riders wolf (also making me feel dirty....those dwarfs do like their grudges), thus comprising the parts needed to make a wolf...along with some clippers, a modeling knife and some greenstuff. I've gone for the round termie base because I play 40k and the bases are round...not straight with round ends....weird fantasy playing crossover types. To start we carve out the faces. The lion needs to loose all of it's catlike features but keep the mane. Best way of doing this is to trim off the beard and then take the clipers to the bottom of the face leaving a square cut hole. While you're using the clippers snip off the tail as well so you are left with the following lion parts looking something like this; http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/270920091062.jpg At this juncture it's also good to carve down the jewels on the side of the wolf and the knot of rope which is attached to it's back as both of these are a)to elven and b)superfluous Next it's carving out the back of the wolf's head which will leave it with as little neck and top of the head as possible. This means that it'll sit on the from of the lion's old faceless mane better. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/270920091064.jpg Once completed it's the gluing together. Thankfully because of the nature of wolves they have quite hunched shoulders and we can see that the face sits in approximately the right position. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/270920091065.jpg Cut the base of the tail to the correct angle to fit how perky a wolf you want and you're golden. Now the turn of the greenstuff. In my mind it needs adding to the hair around the face to blend the wolf head 'seemlessly' into the hair of the lion mane, into the cracks of the elven designs, along the top of the mane where the rope was removed and of course in any cracks. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/03102009004.jpg Once cured stick to base and have it chase the elves and gobbos around a bit if you've not sold them already. I may be thirty odd but going 'raaaagh' with a giant wolf you've just made and then having it jump up and down on an poncing git is still fun <_< next.... ~Chapter 2 - The Rider~ -edited for spelling mistakes like leaving the 's' off of the word mistakes...*sigh* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2138642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 as a tidbit for latter...have an objective marker... http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/03102009019.jpg terminator base so it takes up two spots in a drop pod or land raider it's carried in ;) ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2138649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Looks great so far Old, do you plan on putting more fur on the back quarter of the wolf? Also I was under the impression that TWC's needed to have a 60mm basing, a termie base is only 40mm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2138651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 Cheers fella ;) no plans for more fur - i think the line which Privateer press do looks fine without it. As to the bases....cannis wolfbourne needs a bigger base for getting 11 models in btb to give him lots of attacks otherwise he'd be rubbish. All other cav and bikes are on the long bases...i prefer these so It's no real issue. If they're released and nee re-basing then I will obviously have to ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2138653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 ~Chapter 2 - The Rider~ The main issue which I've found with the rider is getting legs which are suitable. I've tried a few sets (initially thinking the *achem* akimbo marine ones would be good, but they're lacking a certain something) and finally come up with the best fit which doesn't need full scale leg reposes. Start with your marine glued together sans arms and cut him off at the hips. Thia'll mean you have more to position the legs upon later. Annoyingly I didn't take a picture of this but I'm sure you get it. Next take a pair of biker legs and cut them off again at the hips but try to leave as much of the seal as possible - this will give you more room when you shave down the legs to get the right fit. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/03102009010.jpg Glue the legless torso and hips to the back of the wolf in the most appropriate position and then pin the legs to this. As you go along the legs should be carved on the inside so they make the best fit you can. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/03102009011.jpg Greenstuff the legs new seals and this is complete. I decided that the most rending weapon I could think of in 40k was the chainaxes so my wolves are having these. To make them more wolfy I've carved off any chaos emblems and attached them to the haft of the old wolf power axe. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/03102009007.jpg Adding arms and pads and other gubbins you have an almost finished wolf; http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/03102009013.jpg all that's needed now is some greenstuff additional wolfy charms and then a paint job...and then another 3...one with a thunderhammer....and then an ironpriest one... http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f151/evil-jim/03102009014.jpg hope you've enjoyed and don't let the elves get to you...they're in league with the trees... ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2138669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annunsi Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Those are frakkin sweet, Oldenhaller. I was initially put off of the whole thunderwolf thing, but after bashing around several attempts at making army lists, and thinking of the conversion and in-game possibilities of TWolf Cavalry/Characters, I've decided to do some myself. I will definately be using the lions thanks to you, although i wanna beef them up a bit more to fit with my image of them, ala: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/nekhar/WGBLTwulfMnt.jpg (this is my WGBL, Natt Ebonfang, by the way) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2139034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamLando Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 As I've mentioned previously, the Thing from thw woods, from GW's Mordeim, ain't that bad, and it's pretty damn huge too. Like.. 1½ Space marine, huge shoulder bones http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1252234_99111199020_MordThingMain_873x627.jpg Bit expensive for an whole army though.. but for a guy or two it could work. Need some GS, bu what doesn't these days? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2139056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 @ Annunsi, cheers! much appreciated. Loving the artwork and would lobve mine to have turned out have as cool as that picture. ~There are effectivly two more poses possible from the lion sprues, think that it'll be choppping limbs after that... @Lando, still not sold on that one myself, although it does have the size. Thinking that the feet and the jaw are going to be your most awkward parts to change and without a complete rebuild of either of these I think it'll look too chaos'y. That said, give it a go...would love to see it turn out well! ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2139416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claydon Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Are GW not planning to release models of the Thunderwolf Cavalry or are people just interested to convert their own models, hence this thread? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2139443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Apparently GW will release Thunderwolves in the second wave but god knows when that is going to be and people want to play with them NOW NOW NOW! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2139449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 for all your stomping on plastic elf goodness....accept no substitute!!! NOWNOWNOW!!! *achem* [/lackofdecorum] Yeah pretty much looking at using them in the doubles in january and games between now and then. As I really enjoy converting things I'm all sorts of keen for making them in any way I can. Am hoping to get some paint on these two tonight ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2139475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamLando Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Yeah, he's chaos-y alright, but I hink I've got a decent plan going for him, so since I won the model, I'm gonna give that a shot. Gonna have to raise the back a bit and give him a lot more fur, and fix the feet. Although the missing digits doesn't really have to be a bad thing... the fenrisian wolves are bound to have seen some combat, so I guess it works if I keep some of the damage on him ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2139618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 That's a good point...and I see why you'r going for it now...lol. Free is everso much the cheaper option ;) keep us posted with how you go, I think it should be fun whatever happens ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2139625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvtalon Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I just finished coverting the Horde Mini, Kaya the Moonhunter & laris. The elf you can't use.. But a nice mini anyhow.. I took Laris assempled the wolf/dog what ever it is and then did a quick converstion with one of the new space wolves mintures they are selling. After I finished it I compared it to canis wolfborn in size the thunderwolf model that canis rides is 3 times bigger then that of Laris the model I used to make a thunderwolf. But for the standard space wolf on a thunderwolf mount the mount seams to fit the size decently well but still seams a bit small. Its decent for what you need until they come out with actual models. Although I believe you need to mount the thunderwolves on 60mm bases. Such as the size that Canis thunderwolf uses in order to be proper. What do you guys think? Costs of matierals Circle of Orboros, Kaya the moonhunter & laris $14 bucks a blister (If you need 5 72ish) 1 box of 10 spacewolves (new plastic kit) $35 (easily enough to make the full 5 man set) Bases 60mm $4.50 for set of 4.. (Optional wolfmount) Hordes mini line, Circle of Orbors lone wolf (single wolf mod for 9.99 that is howling) That works just as good as kaya's pal. Its cheap and easy to construct them. Although they will look a little runty, but they will get you by easily until GW comes out with the actual model. Anyhow I need actual thunderwolf models to use so.. Gotta do with what I got for a while, if you want me to post images let me know. I'll see what I can do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2140549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfpriest Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I have gotten the wolves from thunderbolt mountain and they would work great as a fenrisian wolf, but are a bit small for a thunder wolf. For my thunder wolves i used the D&D miniatures dire wolf. Here are some pics with of my wolf lord on a thunder wolf with storm shield and frost blade. (gotta love hitting on 3s wounding on 2's and going at I5). The dire wolf models are pretty cheap picked them up for like $3 plus shipping on ebay. http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab308/thunderwolfpriest/TW1.gif http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab308/thunderwolfpriest/TW2.gif http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab308/thunderwolfpriest/TW3.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2140639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewdrexler Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I have gotten the wolves from thunderbolt mountain and they would work great as a fenrisian wolf, but are a bit small for a thunder wolf. For my thunder wolves i used the D&D miniatures dire wolf. Here are some pics with of my wolf lord on a thunder wolf with storm shield and frost blade. (gotta love hitting on 3s wounding on 2's and going at I5). The dire wolf models are pretty cheap picked them up for like $3 plus shipping on ebay. Looks nice WP, One question though: How well is the soft plastic from D&D mini's holding up to the glue etc? With all of the potential play in the figures, would they hold up to Greenstuff without it popping off? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2140679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annunsi Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 That's cool, Wolfpriest. Looks perfect. My only issue(with anything I use for a conversion) will be wanting to have the wolves in varied poses. But, I suppose I'll work that out somehow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2140819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfpriest Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 The plastic on the models is actually suprisingly hard. I put a pin into the back and into the crotch of the riding marine, and they are holding really good. Plastic glue doesn't work very well but with super glue the guys are staying put, i can pick them up by the space marine and the rider doesn't budge. Not sure about how green stuff will hold on it haven't tried yet. As far as converting them i am not sure if cutting them and repositioning them is an option because when i was drilling the pin into the back, i found out that at least the torso is hollow. Hope that helps, thanks for the comments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2140960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Ooh! I like those D&D wolves! Time to get some! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2140986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvtalon Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Here is a Good question... What type of base do we use for thunderwolves? The 60mm base that canis wolfborn uses... or The terminator base? I think thats 25-30mm bases... Anyone know? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179343-how-to-convert-thunderwolves/page/4/#findComment-2141037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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