Current Space Wolf Codex FAQ

[Wolf Guard Dan]

lol it wasnt an insult against anyone! I only say it because when I asked him at Games Day about the Logan 'counts as troops' clarification he looked at me as if I were a complete moron.

Unfortunately, the world we are in are filled with idiots and ignorant people who will argue any point. Even one as simple as Wolf Guard as troops.

 

Let's put this Foehammer question to rest. How often do you play with Arjac and how often is anything that survives the hammer throw is going to survive the coming assault? Not often.

 

IMHO, I beleive that it does stun because it is in the Thunder Hammer profile, it doesn't specify assault vs shooting does it? If it were so clear then this matter would be put to rest. RAW.

[WolfLordLars]

Ok, I changed the TH on Arjax answer to reflect both sides. I dont agree with the "its not a TH" side, but since neither of us can convince the other, both are up there. Take care of the issue locally.

 

I'm also personally insulted that Lars would suggest that I'm not a Space Wolves player because I don't agree with him. I've never posted outside this one forum, and they are my first and only army. :P

 

Meh, it was more of a "have you read the codex"? :P No worries, with a few exceptions, most of what I (and everyone else that I know around this forum) say tends to be said with a smile.

 

 

:rolleyes:

Glad myself and other "guests" can add to your amusement. ^_^

 

If your amusement ever wears off and devolves to irritation, please dont hesitate to remind yourself that all areas of the board are open to all BnC members- chapter specific or otherwise, with hour old memberships or years old.

 

If that fails, you can try repeating to yourself that this isn't Fenrisian Space, youre not Logan Grimnar and you don't get to fire on what you feel are nosey Ecclesiarchy.

 

What? Thats crazy talk. OF COURSE I am Logan Grimnar! Grrrrrrr......

 

 

Q - Do Fenrisian Wolves taken as wargear make the character count as part of a unit for the purposes of joining other units/assigning shooting damage

A - No. Unless it says that, its wargear. They are still IC's. The only reason IPs with servitors count as a unit, is because an IP is not an IC.

 

I was just reading up on the Independent character section on the Small rulebook page 48, under Retinues; from what i can read it seems pretty clear that once you buy a retinue/bodyguard or similar, the independent character changes to a upgrade character in a unit and stays that way until all the members of the unit killed. Only then does he regain the independent character status.

 

So then this would mean that Ragnar, Wolf Lords, WGBL etc. that can buy fenrisan wolves under the option list makes that character count as more than just a unit, but it actually makes him a upgrade character of that unit.

This would also hinder a character with Fenrisan wolves of joining another unit until his wolves are dead.

 

Not sure if someone has already pointed this out, tried the search fuction, but might have missed a entry :)

 

Edit:Small Rulebook ;)

 

I will check into that.

 

 

 

 

Anything else?

[Valerian]

Ok, I changed the TH on Arjax answer to reflect both sides. I dont agree with the "its not a TH" side, but since neither of us can convince the other, both are up there. Take care of the issue locally.

 

That is probably the best plan with this issue. If one side can't convince the opposing side in a couple of pages of posts, then they are not likely to ever change their position. At that point you should just declare the issue: "Undecided, handle locally".

 

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[Woulfeheart]

Hmm.

Personally, on the Foehammer debate, I will include the stunning on the shooting profile, for this reason.

 

"The Foehammer is a Thunder Hammer..."

"...all models that suffer an unsaved wound from a thunder hammer and are not killed will be knocked reeling, reducing their initiative value to 1 until the end of the next palyer turn."

 

If the weapon is a Thunder Hammer, and it causes an unsaved wound, the target model (unless dead) will have Initiative 1 until the end of the next turn.

I understand how many can think this is a bit overpowered, and that's what I thought at first. The ranged traded the stun for the AP1 effect. But, this thread made me analyze it enough to see that the shooting weapon IS a thunder hammer.

However, if my opponent makes a big enough fuss about it, I'll go his way with it. I'd rather play out the game than lose out on a worthy opponent.

 

Darn you GW. They could easily clarify this by stating "is a Thunder Hammer in close combat.." Or "...with the following profile: NOTE: When used like this, Foehammer retains its abilities as a Thunder Hammer."

 

And keep in mind, brothers, that you aren't arguing for the ruling to be set in stone until the Wolftime. You're arguing about which is more correct, according to RAW. If you don't like it, then use it how you wish. The only person you have to answer to concerning is is...well...your opponent.

 

Postscript: Did anyone believe this on their initial reading of the rules, or was this rules lawyered into light? I remember some of my gaming friends asking about it.

[Toasterfree]

Postscript: Did anyone believe this on their initial reading of the rules, or was this rules lawyered into light? I remember some of my gaming friends asking about it.

i ask this question about this, at what point does it stop becoming a thunder hammer?

[Woulfeheart]

Postscript: Did anyone believe this on their initial reading of the rules, or was this rules lawyered into light? I remember some of my gaming friends asking about it.

i ask this question about this, at what point does it stop becoming a thunder hammer?

 

I'm not saying it does, brother. A model that takes an unsaved wound from a Thunder Hammer and lives is reduced to initiative 1. Foehammer is a thunder hammer that can use a shooting profile. Wounds caused by that shooting profile are still caused by a Thunder Hammer.