LoneSniperSG Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Accidental D/P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2166377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I'm well aware.And recant/retcon or not, they're still the most official we have. Yes. The most official we have is that there are two "records lost" legions. Any potential the "Valedictors" and the "Iron Hearts" had was wiped off the planet, and there are two holes that remain. Four books have made that clear to me. Codex: Space Marines(3), Codex: Space Marines(4), Insignium Astartes and Codex: Space Marines(5). How's this, Champ? I KNOW I have seen a note next to the First Founding "Chapter tree" that says the Lost Legions are there for people to make up their own Legions/chapters/primarchs/cheese, so let the guy do his writing here and complain somewhere else, lest I get my Fluff Nazi banishment staff! I'm dimensional anchored. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2166443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Let's leave the debate about what is canon or is not in a different topic and just concentrate on Alaric's story and feedback associated with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2166609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Alright. But only because the good librarian asked :) (Sigi, did I ever mention how you're the worst Black Templar ever? Seriously...a Librarian? What will they think of next.... :wacko:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2166621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Alaric Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 I would update tonight due to an ounce of free time, but instead I'm going to get pleasantly drunk. Update at some point this weekend, thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2170052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frijj Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 In all honesty debating the fluff is futile. There have been so many things about the two missing legions trying to get the truth out of GW is impossible, until they BL publish it in the HH series. There is the 'miss-prints', head long declarations of legionhood in epic articles, the sigmar and belakor being the two lost primarchs story line. There have been many more hints and faints. The fact that people are saying that GW have printed in the past that its upto the hobbiest shows that even printed works by GW and BL are not cannon, just hobbiests works. Since GW's statement of hobbiest decission on the matter has not been printed recently i would say wait for the HH series to clear it up. And if they don't, then the ball is back in the hobbiest corner to come up with what they want. And on the story front, its good. interesting. Is this a book format story where we will find things out or meant to be a comprihensive history? Its a little unclean to me the way you have set this out. And how many drafts has this gone through? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2170376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousFerret Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Fneh. The writing and its underlying ideas could use some work. You spend a lot of your time comparing these two peoples of a conspicuously Fantasy-named planet, how they're quite different but noble and facing off against a terrible enemy and bla bla bla. Where's the nitty gritty and chainswords and uncaring universe reverberating with the laughter of the thirsting gods? In short, where's the 40k? (yes yes, 30k, but still) Why does this remind me of the Lord of the Rings or any 10 generic fantasy roleplaying settings you would care to name? Based on what you've posted do far you seem to be headed towards a starry-eyed wish-fulfilment kind of fluff story. Honestly, I've never seen anyone succeed at making up even remotely interesting or believable 2nd and 11th legions. They are usually about wish fulfillment on the part of the author ("gallant knights and damsels and oooh space unicorns and the Primarch to whom I bear a coincidental resemblance is teh bestest and most shiniest knight evar!!!1"), and/or stereotypes so blatant that even hardened veterans of GW's wholesale pillaging of world history groan and hit the 'back' button. But arguing over the relative canonicity of various sources and the flufficity of writing about the 2nd and 11th are pointless scholastic exercises. It's all make-believe, for Emperor's sake. You many as well argue over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Or blood claws on the head of an ork? Let fanfluff writers have their fun. They're not hurting anyone except their own chances for the Nobel prize for litterature. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2171624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Alaric Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 This isn't going to be a happy-go-lucky story, far from it. Yes, there is a fantasy element in the first part of the story, because there is no futurism on this planet yet, there are no chainswords and there is no knowledge of the universe. The Chaos Gods will become a large factor in the development the two primarchs. Both will not have their wishes granted, both will lose a great deal and will not have a happy ending. And we've gone over any generic feel of my story, I dont care if others find it cliched, and yes, this is how I want to see the lost legions. I'm not catering to the interests of other players, nor am I trying to make them believable, it is a SCIENCE FICTION story after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2171948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 I'm not sure whether 'Sons of Terra' is an entirely suitable name. Remember that originally all of the regiments came from there. It would be like naming an English Premier football team 'England United' I don't think it would really work! :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2173179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Alaric Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 Life in Larria was as it always was. The crops remained bountiful, the law held and the citizens were content. The King's armies conquered territories in the west, as always looking to expand the Larrian Empire. An to the east, the garrisons held firm against the occasional Barbarian attacks, which were growing increasingly rare. The civilians simply brushed the notion off, the threat had never been large in the first place. The future for Larria seemed bright. But in the spires of the King's castle, darkness brewed. King Dorrana was weary of the Wastelands silence, he knew not to disregard the dangers of the wretched place. He called together his court of Sorcerers, powerful men with strange abilities. The King asked the men of what they thought of the recent developments. The court gave mixed answers, some men simply brushed off the lack of activity, some called for a withdrawal of the garrison and others for a bolster of forces for the east. Soon enough, the Sorcerers seemed at each others throats, the council seemed as divided as always, with one side at the others throat. The council had been like this for as long as it had existed, assassinations were not uncommon and were often left unjustified by the Royalty, simply because the workings of sorcerers were far removed from life in Larria and hardly affected the populace. King Dorrana chose to agree with those calling for a withdrawal of soldiers from the east, he seemed eager to direct the extra forces to his conquests. The defeated members protested, but were silenced by the King, he had made his decision. And so, the eastern garrison was thinned considerably, and the border was left without much of a bulwark. But, things remained silent, and life went on. Not long afterward, the King and the Queen were blessed with a daughter. The Empire rejoiced, for days the people celebrated the coming of his firstborn child. The King was overjoyed, but parts of him resented his newborn daughter. He had wished desperately for a strong son who would take the reigns of his Empire some day, he resigned himself to the hope for a second child. A few nights after his daughter had been born, his wish came true. He awoke with the his balcony doors wide open, and the cry of a baby echoing in the night. He feared that his daughter had escaped her crib and had somehow made her way onto the balcony. He rushed outside, and what he saw startled him beyond what he had expected. A massive eagle, the size of a man, and with shining golden plumage was perched upon the railing. Intelligence glittered in its eyes, and he knew this was far more than any animal he had ever heard of. In its beak was a swaddling cloth, a wailing baby kicked as it hung inside the fabric. The eagle dipped its head, as if offering the babe to the King. Dorrana stepped forward and tenderly received the child. The great creature seemed to nod to the king, and dropped into the night, its golden feathers glittering far off into the horizon as it soared away. "Thank you". Whispered the King, as he closed the balcony doors behind him. He looked into the amber eyes of his son, and knew that great things would happen because of this child. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2173200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Have just read through your story here Brother Captain and I am deeply intrigued. The story seems to be going well, and best of luck with the rest of it, I will certainly be reading your future installments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2176625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master miles Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I agree with dark guard so far the story is well structured and I can smell a plot twist right around the corner. I look forward to the next part. Also if there is nothing in codexs GW sanctioned fiction or IA books its been left to the players to do what they wish with it, as with the 2 missing legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2195669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Mordeus Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Anyway, let the poor dude right his story, and if you dont agree with it, then just dont read it, o and didnt Relic try to push the claim that the Blood Ravens are one of the Lost legion, and we forgot everything about our past, and we have a lost father or watever, where really old...and... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2202206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Alaric Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Sorry all, seems like I've completely forgotten about this but I haven't. I've been writing this in my rare spare time, and I've decided to write it in bulk and rework the structure, rather than writing in segments. Who knows how long it will take to work this out, but we shall see. I have the basic story in my head and I shall continue working on it. Thank you for your patience, hope you all had a merry Christmas and hoping for a happy new year! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2227836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormented Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Good so far, keep going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2228392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 I cringed a little when I read the title, not because I've got anything against what Brother Captain Alaric is trying to do, but more because I had a feeling there would be much heatedness of debate over whether this is a subject that should be touched or not... Personally, I say do it <_< DiY Chapters (or Legions in this case) are everyone's little baby, if this interests you, that’s cool. As far as actually C&C, I'm interested so far, perhaps trying to format what you've got into one single post following the usual IA guidelines might be an idea, just to make it easier to read etc. There a whole bunch of examples of that over on the Liber forum. Anyway, that’s my 2 cents, please continue :P Peace :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2228429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I like this, and the fact that the Brother Captain is depicting the British more. I also share a similar belief that it would be more interesting were it to happen on this. After reading these last few articles, I have to say I have enjoyed your take on the legions :P The only annoying part, was that half of the space was taken up by people going off topic- but that's besides the point, as they have stopped. Good luck, and I hope you continue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2233167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 13th Goat Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 When I say British, I dont mean only England, Ireland and Scotland also. Don't worry, these guys aren't gonna be carbon copies of other Legions, the Sons of Terra will have similarities to the other Legions, but will have many unique aspects. The Emerald Blades will be something particularly new, the most similar Legion being the Space Wolves. First off, I don't like the lost legions being touched personally as i feel they should be left to represent what they are; a mystery. That and i believe the reason they were destroyed is because they refused to fight alongside the Emperor, meaning they never got their legions. However, on your fluff: Why the Sons Of Terra? With the Imperial Fists and Emperor's Children, first off I think its a little too "tacky", so to speak. Plus why do they honor Terra more than their own homeworld. Personally, i'd change that name and the Emerald Blades. They sound ( and not great in my opinion) like the names of chapters, not mighty legions. As for "Britishness", why would you want too, to be honest? I'm a Scot, so i think i'm safe to attack this...i hope.... Leaving aside knights (templars), we have: Royal Soilders (like Sharpe) Men in silly hats and curly wigs (like Cromwel) Beefeaters (Colour scheme, maybe) Morris Dancers (ok, thats a joke) These ideas haven't been implemented for Space Marines for a reason. Its to difficult to replicate, doesn't look that good and genrally based on (if your not goin Lionheart or Camalot) an era where the soldiers wore cloth and went around saying "jolly good". Leave the Britishness for the Preatorian Regiment of the Imperial Guard, its to difficult to replicate on marines without them seeming naff. By all means make the world that way inclined, but not the Astartes. It doesn't fit; so far we have Vikings, Romans, Knights and Mongals running around representing humanities brutal warriors. You want to add the Red Coats to that? Granted the sun never set on the British Empire, but their still a bit..... i want to say wet...? Anywho, the actual writing is good, and i hope it turn out as a worthwhile labour of love, regardless if you heed my advice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2252602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ming Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 The 13th Goat: First off, I don't like the lost legions being touched personally as i feel they should be left to represent what they are; a mystery. That and i believe the reason they were destroyed is because they refused to fight alongside the Emperor, meaning they never got their legions. However, on your fluff: They did fight in the great crusade. The HH series has stated that all the primarchs were reunited with their legions and the emperor, and that by the time of the heresy the two legions were already "lost". And, Brother Captain Alaric, I'm really enjoying the read so far. I can tell you're putting a lot of thought and effort into the story, imho that's what is making the story so good. Can't wait to read the whole work! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2252633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Alaric Posted January 19, 2010 Author Share Posted January 19, 2010 When I say British, I dont mean only England, Ireland and Scotland also. Don't worry, these guys aren't gonna be carbon copies of other Legions, the Sons of Terra will have similarities to the other Legions, but will have many unique aspects. The Emerald Blades will be something particularly new, the most similar Legion being the Space Wolves. First off, I don't like the lost legions being touched personally as i feel they should be left to represent what they are; a mystery. That and i believe the reason they were destroyed is because they refused to fight alongside the Emperor, meaning they never got their legions. However, on your fluff: Why the Sons Of Terra? With the Imperial Fists and Emperor's Children, first off I think its a little too "tacky", so to speak. Plus why do they honor Terra more than their own homeworld. Personally, i'd change that name and the Emerald Blades. They sound ( and not great in my opinion) like the names of chapters, not mighty legions. As for "Britishness", why would you want too, to be honest? I'm a Scot, so i think i'm safe to attack this...i hope.... Leaving aside knights (templars), we have: Royal Soilders (like Sharpe) Men in silly hats and curly wigs (like Cromwel) Beefeaters (Colour scheme, maybe) Morris Dancers (ok, thats a joke) These ideas haven't been implemented for Space Marines for a reason. Its to difficult to replicate, doesn't look that good and genrally based on (if your not goin Lionheart or Camalot) an era where the soldiers wore cloth and went around saying "jolly good". Leave the Britishness for the Preatorian Regiment of the Imperial Guard, its to difficult to replicate on marines without them seeming naff. By all means make the world that way inclined, but not the Astartes. It doesn't fit; so far we have Vikings, Romans, Knights and Mongals running around representing humanities brutal warriors. You want to add the Red Coats to that? Granted the sun never set on the British Empire, but their still a bit..... i want to say wet...? Anywho, the actual writing is good, and i hope it turn out as a worthwhile labour of love, regardless if you heed my advice. I have reevaluated the name of the Sons of Terra legion, giving them a different name to suit the legions characteristics. The Azure Crusader's are the most likely title so far, but it is still subject to change. The Emerald Blades however, will remain unchanged. In terms of British, for the Azure Crusaders, i've based them around a sort of Camelot type feel, including aspects from England during the Hundred Years War and while under King Richard the Lionhearted. The last thing I want are red coats, in fact the Azure Crusaders are (obviously) Light Blue, and white. These guys are also dressed up to act the parts of Knights of the Round Table, with personal heraldry to boot. And then there are the Emerald Blades, who I've based almost entirely around the Scottish and Irish. They have a William Wallace type feel, and don't go complete without braided hair, war paint and the occasional kilt. The Emerald Blades are spruced up in dark green armor, with silver and purplish blue trim. It is assured, that the two Lost Legions are brutal fighters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2252877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 This makes it even more interesting. I like the use of the Emerald Blades: it'll be interesting to see how Space Marines look like with kilts :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2254527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 13th Goat Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Like this really....... Sons Of Caledonia by the supreamly talented ShadowCrecents http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/40KFightClub/ShadowCrescents/Warhammer40K128.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/40KFightClub/ShadowCrescents/Warhammer40K147.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/40KFightClub/ShadowCrescents/Warhammer40K107.jpg This would be roughly what a Gaelic army would look like, in line with a more Irish/Scottish/Welsh theme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2254950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Alaric Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 Barring the bagpipes and color, that's pretty accurate to my vision haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2255181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Alaric Posted April 9, 2010 Author Share Posted April 9, 2010 Just a small update, nothing special. I've been working on details, here and there, but writing has been the last thing on my busy schedule. Some details. The final names for the legions are The Emerald Blades and The Sunbringers. I've created many sketches of both Legions, including the Primarchs. I've yet to color them but I know the color schemes and the B&C marine painter has come in handy. The Emerald Blades are a dark, forest green with purple trim and a silver aquila. Their symbol is an upturned sword over a stylized eye. The Sunbringers have a mixture of white and light blue (very similar to pre-heresy World Eaters actually) with their aquila being golden. Their symbol is a golden circle, with four silver points going up-down and left-right, basically a star. I've worked on the flow of events pre-discovery, during the crusade and events afterward, that I cannot say. Just wanted to assure those of you who glanced at the story that no I have not completely forgotten about the project. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2354240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nephilum Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 this has inspired me to make a Emerald Blade for the hell of it :P just one out of the spare bits i can muster! lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182507-pre-heresy-ia-the-lost-legions/page/2/#findComment-2377605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.