UltimateJake Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 I want to do a Pre-Heresy Alpha Legion force and I was wondering what one would look like. I have some questions below that need answering: 1. Kor'sarrp Khan seems to be the logical HQ choice for Alpha Legion armies because of the outflank rule which is reminiscent of Alpha Legion tactics. However, would Kavyaan Shrike work better due to there stealthy nature? Does anyone else have any better HQ ideas? 2. I want a themed Alpha Legion force. What would be a good theme? 3. If anyone has pictures of their own Alpha Legion would you please share them? 4. What would a fluffy Alpha Legion army look like. I didn't really have anything in mind. But, I was going to go for flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaemonPrinceDargor Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 I want to do a Pre-Heresy Alpha Legion force and I was wondering what one would look like. I have some questions below that need answering: 1. Kor'sarrp Khan seems to be the logical HQ choice for Alpha Legion armies because of the outflank rule which is reminiscent of Alpha Legion tactics. However, would Kavyaan Shrike work better due to there stealthy nature? Does anyone else have any better HQ ideas? 2. I want a themed Alpha Legion force. What would be a good theme? 3. If anyone has pictures of their own Alpha Legion would you please share them? 4. What would a fluffy Alpha Legion army look like. I didn't really have anything in mind. But, I was going to go for flexibility. 1. Kor'sarro and/or Shrike would both work fine as Alpha Legion count-as HQs.Sicarius can give Infiltrate to a tactical squad,so if you would use say 2 scout squads and a tactical squad for troops,you could have all of them infiltrating.Although not an HQ choice,i believe that sargeant Telion would also fit nicely in such a force. 2. A theme could be that the scouts in the army are operatives and the marines actuall Legionnaires for example.It can be a scouting force,it can be the main battle force that will exploit the scouting force's intel and disruptions....There is no fixed "nice theme" or "bad theme",just come up with something you like and represent it on the table.After all,its your money and your models.In the end,you'll be the one looking at them every day in your room so make sure its something YOU like first and foremost! ;) 3.Sorry,can't help you with this one,i'm an Empreror's Children addict... :blink: 4.Scouts,Marines,Bikes,Land Speeders (even Storms could work),assault marines,vanguard,drop pods...Anything basically.Just dont go too heavy on heavy armour and your are fine.Alpha Legion was a fully equipped Legion after all,and even though they liked being sneaky and stealthy they still had a strong strike force ready to hammer down any opposition afer the saboteurs had done their jobs. Try and find the Index Astartes article about them and read the HH novel Legion if you haven't already done so.They are both excellent sources of information and inspiration.Also,the Horus Heresy collected visions is pretty much the best source of inspiration a HH collector can have in my opinion. Hope this helps. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Scouts would be Alpha Legion cultists. Weirdly, Cato Sicarius' rules are especially good for this. Rites Of Battle to give the whole army Ld10 and Battle-Forged Heroes to make a Tactical Squad Infiltrate. Plus he has Surprise Attack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 Scouts would be Alpha Legion cultists.Weirdly, Cato Sicarius' rules are especially good for this. Rites Of Battle to give the whole army Ld10 and Battle-Forged Heroes to make a Tactical Squad Infiltrate. Plus he has Surprise Attack! Interesting. I overlooked Cato's rules and for the scouts being cultists I think I'll just use them as 'spies' who help them out. So this will be a no chaos whatsoever force. I will follow the Alpha Legion are loyal to the Imperium, but fight for Horus because they want to end the long war prematurely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Well, by cultists we mean cells within the enemy population that are loyal to the Alphas. That's how the Alpha Legion does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 and maybe use of the DH or WH Inquisitorial Storm Troopers for local agent cells? I would think that Kosarro Khan would be the best representation for the Marines, being very good at hitting from different angles (via outflank) WLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 This should be interesting. As this is a pre-heresy Alpha Legion force, perhaps reading the HH series novel Legion may help give a better understanding of their situation back then, if you haven't already. Judging by your context however, I think it's safe to say you have. Are you going to post any pictures or battle reports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 This should be interesting. As this is a pre-heresy Alpha Legion force, perhaps reading the HH series novel Legion may help give a better understanding of their situation back then, if you haven't already. Judging by your context however, I think it's safe to say you have. Are you going to post any pictures or battle reports? Pictures probably a no-no. I can't paint at all (and no im not being modest). But, battle-reports are a strong possibility. But, I need to write up a decent list first. Thanks for all the help everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 This is also a project that's on my "to do" list. Along with all the other excellent advice, check out Bell of Lost Souls Heresy codex as well as the "Tempus Fugitives" Heresy play aids for some Alpha Legion specific flavor to help tailor your force. Both play aids are good, but I prefer the TF as providing better customizing options (it's been updated to account for Legion). Are you intending on playing in tournaments with this force, or is this a campaign/fun project? Also, for pics, do a search on the Hall of Honor for Alpha Legion as there have been some pretty good armies done recently. Good luck on your project! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 This is also a project that's on my "to do" list. Along with all the other excellent advice, check out Bell of Lost Souls Heresy codex as well as the "Tempus Fugitives" Heresy play aids for some Alpha Legion specific flavor to help tailor your force. Both play aids are good, but I prefer the TF as providing better customizing options (it's been updated to account for Legion). Are you intending on playing in tournaments with this force, or is this a campaign/fun project? Also, for pics, do a search on the Hall of Honor for Alpha Legion as there have been some pretty good armies done recently. Good luck on your project! No just a fun force. I don't actually do tournaments since I'm more of a fun gamer then win at all costs gamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 1. Kor'sarrp Khan seems to be the logical HQ choice for Alpha Legion armies because of the outflank rule which is reminiscent of Alpha Legion tactics. However, would Kavyaan Shrike work better due to there stealthy nature? Does anyone else have any better HQ ideas? For the Alpha Legion you could use a Chapter Master (adds an extra artillery strike to their repertoire) or a Librarian with "The Gate of Infinity" (squads disappearing and popping up somewhere else). I generally recommend to stay away from special characters. 2. I want a themed Alpha Legion force. What would be a good theme? The Alpha Legion theme is "from every possible angle", so an AL force should include as much different army list selections as possible, probably an MSU (multiple small units) approach. If you focus on certain choices, it becomes less of an "Alpha Legion" force. It may not be as effective to take a bit of everything, but that's the Alpha Legion doctrine for you. The game may not be that well suited to represent their particular style of warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaemonPrinceDargor Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 2. I want a themed Alpha Legion force. What would be a good theme? The Alpha Legion theme is "from every possible angle", so an AL force should include as much different army list selections as possible, probably an MSU (multiple small units) approach. If you focus on certain choices, it becomes less of an "Alpha Legion" force. It may not be as effective to take a bit of everything, but that's the Alpha Legion doctrine for you. The game may not be that well suited to represent their particular style of warfare. Actually,i disagree here mate.He may well choose to focus one part of a larger force that uses that tactic,so he can focus on the fast striking force using bikes and speeders (the operatives completed their tasks of disruption and now is time for the fast kill!His army list focuses on the part of the Alpha Legion that delivers the killing stike.) or he can focus on the disruption part (infiltrating scouts and marines with little to no armored support,aiming to take objectives,set up ambushes and kill reinforcements or destroy the supply base of the enemy as their mission(thats the multiple objectives mission,kill points and 1 objective each missions).He doesnt have to take a bit of everything,unless he is playing large points games or Apocalypse in my opinion. Cheers! ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 He could obviously do that. Just as one could do an assault Ultramarines force that was tasked with assaulting the enemy stronghold, or a Blood Angels force that was supposed to dig in and defend a vital position. All of the Chapters (or Legions) are not truly "one note" forces. But they might be known for a certain specialisation, so if one wanted to theme their force along those lines, one would probably want to focus on that famous aspect. You can play an "Iron Warriors" army and focus all on assault. But that would hardly be an "Iron Warriors themed" army, would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 I've taken a look at Codex Daemonhunters to see if they might better suit Alpha Legion. The fluff would sort of make since, low number of marines, and lots of infiltrators. Grey Knights: The Alpha Legion Marines coming down to help their espionage units Storm Troops and Inquisitors: spies I think this might be a better list, although quite uncompetitive, but I am just in it for the fun. Any suggestions or should I just stick with Codex SM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Ahem, I would go out on a limb here and say that the Codex Daemon Hunters is about the least suitable "Marine" Codex you could take for any official Chapter or Legion that is not the Grey Knights. :lol: Seriously, an all veteran force where every basic Marine in power armour is armed with a storm bolter and a greatweapon and has additional psychic protection does not really suit a lot of other Chapters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 Ahem, I would go out on a limb here and say that the Codex Daemon Hunters is about the least suitable "Marine" Codex you could take for any official Chapter or Legion that is not the Grey Knights. :) Seriously, an all veteran force where every basic Marine in power armour is armed with a storm bolter and a greatweapon and has additional psychic protection does not really suit a lot of other Chapters. Well their aren't really to many codexes that suit any chapter or legion. So I might stick to Codex Marines or I might take a look at the Lost and the Damned PDF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almighty Nocturnus Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I`d like to point out that if you want to follow the "Legion" Horus Heresy novel when making your pre-heresy Alpha Legion, then you need to add an Eldar and other assorted xenos minis as one of your HQ units (since the Cabal dictates what the Alpha Legion do...according to the novel anyway...) Almighty Nocturnus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Good choice of army ;) Personally the basic Codex Space Marines suits most Legions fine with some bias or forethought, our group has been playing with the Tempus Fugitives packs for a while now though (And they are all good!). But anyhow, heres my Plog of random meandering and Pre Heresy Alpha Legion... http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.p...light=noserenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 Good choice of army :D Personally the basic Codex Space Marines suits most Legions fine with some bias or forethought, our group has been playing with the Tempus Fugitives packs for a while now though (And they are all good!). But anyhow, heres my Plog of random meandering and Pre Heresy Alpha Legion... http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.p...light=noserenda That is an awesome blog. Thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 actually the Alpha Legion had everything every other legion did the main difference is in the tactics. heck they had Terminators that could infiltrate ;) read HH Legion for more ideas and IA Alpha Legion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necrodeko Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Visiting an Alpha Legion forum may help to answer your questions. The very first link I've got off the Google search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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