How Many Primarchs would it take to beat the Emperor

[calgar101]

For a pure combat fight no psychic powers, send in Angron, Russ and Sanguinius and job done i think, with Sanguinius probably dieing and the other two rather injured.

[thrudd]

No psychic powers? He'd have to be a moron to not use them. Sounds like the end of the animated Street Fighter movie where Bison gets bored, drops his powers and then gets deaded.

 

Emperor would just vaporise each and every one of the Primarchs; just like he did with Horus, when he finally got round to it.

[The Emperor's Champion]

^True.

[UltimateJake]

No psychic powers? He'd have to be a moron to not use them. Sounds like the end of the animated Street Fighter movie where Bison gets bored, drops his powers and then gets deaded.

 

Emperor would just vaporise each and every one of the Primarchs; just like he did with Horus, when he finally got round to it.

 

Yes well I just added that in their to prove that the Emperor COULD be beaten. But, it is highly unlikely that he wouldn't use his psychich powers. So the primarchs are doomed.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

The Emperor could kill all the Primarchs fairly easily I'm sure. Even Horus fueled to the brim with the power of all the Chaos Gods was killed by The Emperor just sort of blinking his psychic power at him. Hell, it might take The Emperor more effort to not accidentally kill people than it would take him to kill them all.

 

The only reason Horus messed him up is because he just kinda stood there and let Horus wail on him until he snapped out of his disbelief.

 

 

Alright, since you guys say so...

 

Thats not what happened at all. Horus pretty much took the Emperor down, he understood that Horus was evil when he finally saw Sanguinus in Horuses hands, so he didn't hold back. Horus hesitated at the final moment, and the Emperor killed him because of it. I will go and get Codex : Chaos Space Marines for proof of this if you want, but you need to know that seriously isn't what happened.

 

If your basing that off of C:SM then there are different arguments involved, which question the very believibility of C:SM.

[UltimateJake]

The Emperor could kill all the Primarchs fairly easily I'm sure. Even Horus fueled to the brim with the power of all the Chaos Gods was killed by The Emperor just sort of blinking his psychic power at him. Hell, it might take The Emperor more effort to not accidentally kill people than it would take him to kill them all.

 

The only reason Horus messed him up is because he just kinda stood there and let Horus wail on him until he snapped out of his disbelief.

 

 

Alright, since you guys say so...

 

Thats not what happened at all. Horus pretty much took the Emperor down, he understood that Horus was evil when he finally saw Sanguinus in Horuses hands, so he didn't hold back. Horus hesitated at the final moment, and the Emperor killed him because of it. I will go and get Codex : Chaos Space Marines for proof of this if you want, but you need to know that seriously isn't what happened.

 

If your basing that off of C:SM then there are different arguments involved, which question the very believibility of C:SM.

 

Alright this is going to be very different and the battle between Horus and the Emperor very contradicting in some areas. However, I think you will find that most of us (loyalists) tend to accept that the Emperor was holding back all the way when he was fighting Horus because of the sheer disbelief that one of his most trusted sons had turned against him. Only at the end when he truly saw what Horus had (left the Imperium in tatters, tried to kill the Emperor, and actually kill Sanguinius) truly became evil. When this happened the Emperor focussed his titanic energy in a single strike instantly killing Horus. Just the way that I see it, although I can see how CSM will make Horus look cooler.

[thrudd]

...so he didn't hold back.

 

And look what happened next. Horus...OFF.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

...so he didn't hold back.

 

And look what happened next. Horus...OFF.

 

 

So he didn't hold back, just two demigods bashing each other. Horus came out the winner. He hesitated and died.

 

Codex Chaos Marines page 15

 

"Horus dealt the Emperor many grievous wounds...He ignored the agony within His battered body....Horus faltered in his physical and psychic assault. Perhaps some small, repressed shred of his humanity and loyalty beytrayed Horus, preventing him from dealing the fatal blow.... With a last effort, the Emperor struck home, shredding the mind of his former friend even as He carved apart his body."

[Grim Dog Studios]

The primarchs all bieng 1/20th of him each must mean something, therefore, it would take all 20 to take him down.

[UltimateJake]

...so he didn't hold back.

 

And look what happened next. Horus...OFF.

 

 

So he didn't hold back, just two demigods bashing each other. Horus came out the winner. He hesitated and died.

 

Codex Chaos Marines page 15

 

"Horus dealt the Emperor many grievous wounds...He ignored the agony within His battered body....Horus faltered in his physical and psychic assault. Perhaps some small, repressed shred of his humanity and loyalty beytrayed Horus, preventing him from dealing the fatal blow.... With a last effort, the Emperor struck home, shredding the mind of his former friend even as He carved apart his body."

 

That seems to contradict itself. The Emperor loved his sons so much that he almost let one kill him. If he thought Horus had any shred of humanity left I doubt he could bring himself to kill him. I am pretty sure that the entire purpose of the fluff is to show how demented and evil Horus had become. So evil that even the Emperor gave up and eventually killed him.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

The primarchs all bieng 1/20th of him each must mean something, therefore, it would take all 20 to take him down.

 

 

Untouched by Chaos, this is what I think. But since some have become Daemon princes, making them even more powerful, I would say the daemon prince primarchs (which I believe is Fulgrim, Angron, Magnus, Lorgar, Mortarian) could take him down, maybe with a little help from Sanguinus and Russ, or if we want to be strictly renegade the Twins and Kurze. I won't bring Horus into this, as he tips the scale to drastically (I don't like anyone being that uber, it feels like I would be cheating) unless you take him as not fueled by Chaos.

 

Remember, the Astartes cult (which is probably the most accurate says that he is a really powerful guy, not unbeatable. It took Horus to take him down, and he got killed even though he managed to severely wound him. I don't know if Horus would have been able to rule with a fully working body after his fight with the Emperor, so Horus could have been taken down as well.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

...so he didn't hold back.

 

And look what happened next. Horus...OFF.

 

 

So he didn't hold back, just two demigods bashing each other. Horus came out the winner. He hesitated and died.

 

Codex Chaos Marines page 15

 

"Horus dealt the Emperor many grievous wounds...He ignored the agony within His battered body....Horus faltered in his physical and psychic assault. Perhaps some small, repressed shred of his humanity and loyalty beytrayed Horus, preventing him from dealing the fatal blow.... With a last effort, the Emperor struck home, shredding the mind of his former friend even as He carved apart his body."

 

That seems to contradict itself. The Emperor loved his sons so much that he almost let one kill him. If he thought Horus had any shred of humanity left I doubt he could bring himself to kill him. I am pretty sure that the entire purpose of the fluff is to show how demented and evil Horus had become. So evil that even the Emperor gave up and eventually killed him.

 

See, this is where you are assuming things. He saw how demented and evil he had bacome as soon as he saw Sanguinuses body in Horuses hands, whereis you are assuming that he didn't for some reason :) .

[calgar101]

Why should we believe the chaos codex? The way your coming across in my opinion is that the chaos codex is right, thats that.... well no its notm there is an older source that i may have on my pc somewhere that goes into more detail of the fight. At the end its something along these lines; Horus repents whilst he lay in the Emperors arms but knowing he cannot risk another Heresy, he focuses all his energy detatching himself from his body and wipes Horus from existence. If that had happened whilst the Emperor was not as badly wounded as he was then he would still be around today.

[calgar101]

Here it is, Bill Kings version of the fight.

 

ven through the shields, impacts makes the Imperial Palace shake. With a screech of tortured stone an angel topples from its alcove high on the throne room wall and crashes to the marble floor a kilometre below. It shatters into a million pieces. Splinters of stone flash across the hall like shrapnel.

 

From his throne the Emperor watches his warriors mill around in confusion. This hall holds ten thousand men, seasoned veterans, and all now panicking. He knows they are more frightening by his silence than by the enemy. They look to him for leadership and he can give them none.

 

For the first time in his millennia-long life the Emperor knows despair. The magnitude of his defeat stuns him. The lunar bases have fallen. Most of the earth is under the Warmaster's heel. Rebel Titans, towering 30 feet high, surround the palace and are held at bay only by the desperate efforts of a few loyalists. It is only a matter of time before the palace's defences fail and the last bastions of resistance fall.

 

"Sire, what are your orders?" asks Rogal Dorn, massive dark-haired Primarch of the Imperial Fists. His golden armour has lost its lustre, is dented in a dozen places by bolter shells. The Emperor doesn't answer. He is lost within himself seeking answers to his own questions.

 

He has come at last to the dark place, the time of testing, the era hidden from his precognition vision and beyond which he cannot see. The moment he has always dreaded has arrived. Is my time over, he wonders? Is this where it all ends? Is this why I have reached the limits of my prophetic powers. Is this where I die?

 

He felt bewildered. Even now, the Traitor Warmaster's forces were battering at the gate, he finds it difficult to believe that he has been betrayed.

 

Horus was more than a trusted comrade, more like a favoured son. Of all the Primarchs the Emperor relied on him most. Not for a second had the Emperor doubted him, not even when word had come from the Savage Worlds that the Warmaster was gathering forces. He had deluded himself that Horus must have good reason to do so without consulting him. I should have been warned by the failure of my precognition, he thinks.

 

"Sire, what are your orders?" asks Kane, acting Fabricator-General of the Adeptus Mechanicus. He stares at the Emperor, a trick of light turning the glass slits of his brass mask into accusing eyes. Once more the Emperor does not reply. Kane's presence reminds him that not even the head of the Adeptus is to be trusted. His superior, the former Fabricator-General, has chosen to side with Horus.

 

On Mars civil war rages between factions of Tech-Priests. Ancient, forbidden weapons are being deployed. Viral plagues kill millions. Fusion bombs scar the earth.

 

So much will be lost. He thinks of the slow piecing together of the old science. The Librarium Technologicus is in flame now, ancient core data systems in meltdown. The time of re-building is over. The Great Crusade, as much a quest for lost knowledge as a war to reclaim the human worlds, is ended. The Warmaster's treachery has seen to that.

 

"Sire, what are your orders?" asks Sanguinius, angel winged Primarch of the Blood Angels. He gazes at the Emperor with blazing eyes, his face a mask of terrible beauty.

 

The Emperor knows they rely on him for guidance. They still believe in him. They think he can lead them from this trap. They are wrong.

 

Horus is the greatest general the galaxy has ever known. Who should know better than his creator? He is schooled by a century of warfare. There will be no way out, no loopholes, no flaws in the plan. The Warmaster would have to be mad to leave one.

 

The Emperor looks down on the faces of his followers, sees the trust written there, feels the weight of responsibility it brings. He knows that for their sake he must try, even if it is hopeless, He casts forth his clairvoyant sight, lets his mind drift beyond the ruined gardens of the palace, over fields where colossal Titans battle by the twisted light of the sculpted moon. He sees the whole war spread out beneath him, his pitifully outnumbered legions being mown down by the traitor hordes. He reaches up to the sky, where he senses the fleet of battle barges that rain orbital doom upon the tortured Earth. Amid those thousand glittering points he finds the Warmaster.

 

Hope flickers within him. The shields of Horus's ship are down. Briefly he wonders why. Is the traitor's confidence so overwhelming? Does he wish to witness the battle himself. Or is it a trap? The Emperor touches the ship and recoils from what he senses within. How could Horus have done that, made a pact with the ultimate abomination?

 

The Emperor comes to a decision. Trap or not, this is the only opportunity he will get. He has no option but to seize it; the position is so desperate. Even as his spirit returns to his body, the ominous thought strikes him that the Warmaster must know this.

 

"What are your orders, Sire?" Sanguinius asks again. The Emperor's eyes snap open. His voice is full of authority. "Prepare to teleport. We will take the battle to the enemy." The men smile confidently. They now have a purpose. While he inputs the teleport co-ordinates they move, without question, to obey.

 

A flash of light, a feeling of coldness. They have teleported into the Warmaster's ship. The Emperor takes an instant to re-orientate himself and realises that something has gone wrong. He stands in a vast, warped chamber with only a few Marines in attendance. The Terminators and Primarchs are not present. How is this possible he wonders. Could Horus have disrupted the teleportation beam? Is he so powerful?

 

Insane voices gibber madly inside his skull. There are figures trapped in the stone walls of the vast room. Hands reach out for him, grasp at him with rock-like strength. He shrugs them off easily. His comrades are not so lucky. Bolters chatter and flash as the Marines attempt to fight off their demonic assailants. A man screams as he is drawn into the dark and slimy walls. As he vanishes, ripples spread from his point of disappearance. The Emperor's sword lashes out, severing limbs, freeing trapped Marines. He summons his psychic energies. A nimbus flickers around his head as he unleashes his power. A tidal wave of destruction rips through the daemons, leaving his own men unscathed.

 

He scans about him, seeking the Primarchs but the walls of the Warmaster's Battle Barge are resistant to his mindsight. He gestures for the surviving Marines to follow him.

 

They wander through the ship distorted beyond all recognition by the warping power of Chaos. Great sphincter-doors distend from walls of flesh-like stone. Transparent veins bear rivers of blood along conduits in the floor. Carpets of mucous cover a road of tongues.

 

Winged and distorted things that might once have been human flit through the archways of bone and perch on ledges of rib. The Marines gasp in horror. He exerts himself to calm them, psychically soothing their fear of this dreadful place. All the while he scans the area looking for the spoor of Horus. He knows now the nature of the pact the Warmaster has made and the dreadful consequences of his victory.

 

They pass pits that gape like glistening gullets in the floor and echo the beats of a distant giant heart. They are showered by waterfalls of stinking yellowish liquid that cascades down cliffs of carved cartilage. Sometimes they hear weapons fire but when they arrive at the source they find nothing.

 

Mists of rainbow vapour drift across their field of vision, obscuring corridors of carnivorous stone. Clouds of insects swarm over their faceplates and choke the extractors of their airpipes. They switch over to internal oxygen supply.

 

They are ambushed by scuttling skull-faced things in the armour of Marines. They fight hoardes of mutated beasts. One by one they die. In the end the Emperor stands alone. Then and only then is he allowed to enter the presence of Horus.

 

The Warmaster bestrides the body of a broken angel. Behind him the tortured earth fills the viewport, a bauble for Horus to seize with one clawed hand. Corpses of massacred Marines lie everywhere.

 

Face glowing with internal bloodlight. Horus speaks. "Poor Sanguinius. I offered him a position of power in the new order. He could have sat at the right hand of a god. Alas he chose to align himself with the losing side."

 

The Emperor stands transfixed, trying to force frozen words from his tongue. In the end he can only whisper, "Why?" Mad laughter rings out. "Why? You ask me why? Have all those millennia taught you nothing? Weak fool, your timidity prevented you from binding the forces of Chaos. You shied away from the ultimate power. I have bound it to my will and will lead humanity into the new age. I, Horus, Master of Chaos."

 

The Emperor looks at his former friend and shakes his head. He sees the trap that has ensnared Horus. "No man can master Chaos," he says quietly. "You have deluded yourself. You are the servant, not the master."

 

A look of rage transfigures the Warmaster. He stretches out a hand and a bolt of force leaps forth. The Emperor screams as agony wracks his body. "Feel the true nature of my power then tell me I am deluded," roars Horus, in the voice of an angry god.

 

Beads of sweat stand out on the Emperor's forehead, he steels himself against the pain. "You are deluded," he says.

 

Once again Horus gestures and lances of pure poison sear through the Emperor's veins. "I let you come here, old friend, so that you could witness my triumph. Kneel before me and I will spare you. Acknowledged the new master of mankind."

 

Desperately the Emperor summons his power and lashes out. Lightning flickers between the combatants. The stench of ozone fills the air. The Emperor leaps forward, sword raised. Weapons clash as battle is joined on every level: physical, spiritual, psychic.

 

Bolts of force flicker as mortal gods clash, balancing the fate of the galaxy on every blow. Runesword and lightning claw ring against each other with a sound like thunder. Energies potent enough to level planets are unleashed.

 

A backhand buffet from Horus knocks the Emperor through a stone bulkhead. The counterstroke tears a supporting column out of the ceiling as the Warmaster ducks.

 

In the warp the Emperor hears the Chaos Powers howl as they feed their pawn more power. The Lord of Humanity stands alone against their massed might and knows that he is losing. Somehow he cannot bring his full force to bear on the Warmaster. Horus shows no such restraint.

 

A lightning claw cuts the Emperor's armour as if it were cloth, sheers through flesh and bone. The Emperor ripostes with a psychic stroke intended to disrupt the Warmaster's nervous system. Horus laughs as he deflects it.

 

His claws take the Emperor across the throat, opening windpipe and jugular. Another blow severs the tendons on his wrist, causing the sword to drop from nerveless fingers.

 

Insane laughter echoes round the chamber. Horus breaks several ribs with an almost playful punch. A surge of energy seers the Emperor's face, melting the flesh till it runs, bursting an eyeball, setting his hair alight. The Emperor stifles a whimper, wonders how he can be losing. Blackness threatens to engulf him.

 

Horus grasps his wrists, splintering bones. Blood pumps from the Emperor's throat. Horus lifts his foe above his head and brings him down across his knee, breaking his spine.

 

For a second the Emperor knows only darkness then a flare of agony brings him back to consciousness as Horus rips his arm from its socket. The Warmaster howls with bestial triumph.

 

Suddenly the battering stops. Through his good eye the Emperor sees a solitary Terminator has entered the room. The Marine charges towards the Warmaster, stormbolter blazing. Horus looks at him and laughs. For a moment he stands triumphant, allowing the Marine to see what he has done to his Emperor.

 

The Emperor knows what is going to happen next, sees the gloating triumph on Horus' face. There is no trace of his friend left there. There is only a daemon driven by insane destructive fury.

 

Horus turns his burning gaze on the Terminator and the Marine's flesh flakes away to reveal his skeleton, then even that is gone, reduced to dust.

 

The Emperor sees the trap that has been set for him. He has been restraining himself, trying not to hurt one who had been as a son to him. Now he sees that there is no trace of his trusted comrade left. He knows that he must stop this semblance of his former friend and avenge the fallen Terminator. He must strike one deadly blow. He will get no other chance.

 

He gathers every particle of his power, focuses it into a mighty bolt of pure force, more coherent than a laser, more destructive than an exploding sun. He aims it as Horus, a lance of power destined for the madman's heart. Horus senses the upsurge of energy and turns to face the Emperor, a look of horror on his face.

 

The Emperor lets fly. It strikes the Warmaster. Horus screams as destruction rains down on him, twisting and writhing in titanic agony. He strives frantically to counter the Emperor's deathblow but his struggles become more feeble as the lethal energies play over him.

 

Driven by all the force of his rage and pain and hatred the Emperor wills Horus's death. He senses the forces of Chaos retreat, disengaging themselves from their pawn. As they do so sanity returns to the Warmaster. The Emperor sees realisation of the atrocities he has committed flicker across Horus' face. Tears glisten there.

 

Horus is free but the Emperor knows he himself is dying and that the Powers of Chaos may once again possess the Warmaster and he will not be there to stop them. He cannot take that risk. Horus must die. Yet for a second, looking into his old friends face, he hesitates, unable to do the deed. Then he thinks of the slaughter that still goes on outside, may go on forever. Resolve hardens within him.

 

He forces all mercy and compassion from his mind, empties it of all knowledge of friendship and coimraderie and love. His eyes lock with Horus and see understanding there. Then with full cold knowledge of what he is doing the Emperor destroys the Warmaster.

 

Rogal Dorn enters the chamber. Horror fills him as he sees the mutilated form of the Emperor and the shrivelled husk inside the Warmaster's armour. He curses himself for taking so long to fight through the Chaotic hordes, He knows now why their attacks ceased and why the ship is reverting to normal.

 

He rushes to the Emperor's side, detecting the faint pulse of life. Perhaps there is yet hope. Perhaps the ruler of the Imperium may live.

 

Rogal Dorn will do his best to ensure it.

[thrudd]

So he didn't hold back, just two demigods bashing each other. Horus came out the winner. He hesitated and died.

 

Yeah...so...what's your definition of victory exactly? See i would declare the "winner" the one that didn't hestitate, die, and consequently get turned into a shriveled husk. That's just me though.

 

Also, the newer takes on this event are weak anyway. I go by the original and superior version of the story in The Lost And The Damned. (EDIT - Ah i see seomeone took the time to post it above).

 

All about the Emperor killing Horus with "a bolt of pure force...more destructive than an exploding sun" and avenging the fallen Terminator tbh.

[calgar101]

Thrudd my my post above yours, its got the account your talking about. Yes Horus was winning but then once the Emperor realised it was a trap, he shot a pure bolt, more accurate than a laser, more destructive than an exploding sun at Horus, and then Horus knew what was coming, that the Emperor was about to destroy him.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Why should we believe the chaos codex?

 

 

If we can't believe the Chaos Codex, we cannot beleive that version either.... This is because the fluff contradicts itself. This is why I wanted this subject not to be brought up. I have a source that clearly says one thing, and yours says another. Since the fluff is self contradicting, nothing on this subject can be taken as indisputable fact, and so we are left with fanboys like the Emperors Champion saying that the Emperor is "so incredibly all powerful, Horus got lucky, yeah the Emperor was holding himself back..." which doesn't make sense either, because there would have been no seige, there would have been the Emperor walking around and everybody but him dying. He wouldn't have been able to make warp jumps because his psychic might is such that he would kill the gods of chaos, if they were to be beleived.

 

Once again, don't bring up the Horus vs. Emperor fight, it just leads to people (like me) ranting about how annoying it gets, and people like the Emperors champion saying that Horus got lucky.And it repeats itself again, and again, and again...

[calgar101]

The Bill King version is an un-biased version, thats where i draw my information about the fight from.

[UltimateJake]

Why should we believe the chaos codex?

 

 

If we can't believe the Chaos Codex, we cannot beleive that version either.... This is because the fluff contradicts itself. This is why I wanted this subject not to be brought up. I have a source that clearly says one thing, and yours says another. Since the fluff is self contradicting, nothing on this subject can be taken as indisputable fact, and so we are left with fanboys like the Emperors Champion saying that the Emperor is "so incredibly all powerful, Horus got lucky, yeah the Emperor was holding himself back..." which doesn't make sense either, because there would have been no seige, there would have been the Emperor walking around and everybody but him dying. He wouldn't have been able to make warp jumps because his psychic might is such that he would kill the gods of chaos, if they were to be beleived.

 

Once again, don't bring up the Horus vs. Emperor fight, it just leads to people (like me) ranting about how annoying it gets, and people like the Emperors champion saying that Horus got lucky.And it repeats itself again, and again, and again...

 

Calling someone a fanboy is pretty bad when you've heard the term fan-boy actually described. And I hope no one on here is like that.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

The Bill King version is an un-biased version, thats where i draw my information about the fight from.

Unbiased? It says that Horus was lucky and the Emperor held himself back! Really! It did admit that the Emperor had weakness, and it showed that Horus was a pawn, yes, which he was, but it was more like Emperor vs. Chaos, reading it again. There is no way Emperor vs. Chaos would come out with the Emperor winning. 'mulls over it a little bit more' I remember, in Heroes of the Space Marines, there is a short story Honor Among Fiends. In it, the main character (a seige of Terra vet) wonders if the final battle between Horus and the Emperor was merely a game, a spectacle for the Dark Gods. He realizes that they had always intended to bytray Horus in the end, although this is where the two different versions of the final battle differ, yours says that the failed to protect him (BTW, Chaos Gods don't fail, they let things happen), whereis mine says that he hesitated and let the Emperor kill him, by Horus failing to jump out of the way (his mind was busy being ripped apart after all).

[thrudd]

Wow for a guy who doesn't want to discuss this, i'm pretty sure you've written more than anyone. And as far as fanboyism goes...

 

Anyway. Lost And The Damned. Original and best.

 

Besides, everyone knows the only reason Games Workshop retcon and change their background is to ride the trends and make more cash.

 

All about Rogue Trader tbh

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Why should we believe the chaos codex?

 

 

If we can't believe the Chaos Codex, we cannot beleive that version either.... This is because the fluff contradicts itself. This is why I wanted this subject not to be brought up. I have a source that clearly says one thing, and yours says another. Since the fluff is self contradicting, nothing on this subject can be taken as indisputable fact, and so we are left with fanboys like the Emperors Champion saying that the Emperor is "so incredibly all powerful, Horus got lucky, yeah the Emperor was holding himself back..." which doesn't make sense either, because there would have been no seige, there would have been the Emperor walking around and everybody but him dying. He wouldn't have been able to make warp jumps because his psychic might is such that he would kill the gods of chaos, if they were to be beleived.

 

Once again, don't bring up the Horus vs. Emperor fight, it just leads to people (like me) ranting about how annoying it gets, and people like the Emperors champion saying that Horus got lucky.And it repeats itself again, and again, and again...

 

Calling someone a fanboy is pretty bad when you've heard the term fan-boy actually described. And I hope no one on here is like that.

 

I must have misheard the definition, the one I was basing mine off of was : Biased extremely for one particular character/chapter/noun of the 40k universe, in this case the Emperor, to the point that you beleive they are just the most awesome thing and cannot be defeated or even looked at funny, and so base your decisions of that misguided opinoin.

 

All characters have their flaws. The Emperor, although the most naturally powerful being, was still nothing compared to the Chaos Gods, Horus, although being souped up by the Dark Gods was far too weak minded to be anything but a pawn, the Dark Gods themselves are the most powerful things in the 40k universe, but they are hideously evil creatures that are so self centered and selfish to the point they are abominations.

 

Excuse me if you feel that I have offended you by pointing out a simple fact.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Wow for a guy who doesn't want to discuss this, i'm pretty sure you've written more than anyone. And as far as fanboyism goes...

 

 

I am discussing this and saying so much so that people would be quiet and stop discussing this. Sacrifices, as well as payments of time and energy are nessassary.

 

As far as fanboism goes, I am unbiased. The Dark Gods should be destroyed, Horus was a weakminded fool. So is just about everybody else in the 40k universe.

 

The Emperor is probably the best character in the 40k universe. He was wise enought to realize not to align himself with the Dark Gods, and had Horus not done so parhaps they would be much weaker than they are currently in the 40k universe. But that wouldn't make a good plot line, would it?

[The Emperor's Champion]

Your account isn't actually what happened. Like I said, I don't have some biased summary of how it went down. I have the BLOW BY BLOW account. It's several pages and I'm too lazy/its probably against the board's IP rules to transcribe it.

 

Go buy a copy of Horus Heresy:Collected Visions and learn how wrong you are.

 

 

EDIT: THIS

Seems Calgar101 already did some transcribing :P

It's only a 99% accurate transcription, which I suppose is good for avoiding IP conflicts a little, but it gets everything in there. The "Terminator" Horus kills is a Custode.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Your account isn't actually what happened. Like I said, I don't have some biased summary of how it went down. I have the BLOW BY BLOW account. It's several pages and I'm too lazy/its probably against the board's IP rules to transcribe it.

 

Go buy a copy of Horus Heresy:Collected Visions and learn how wrong you are.

 

 

Naturally, Emperors Champion, you do have a biased version. You are using the 'I'm too lazy' line as an excuse, if you aren't then prove it by posting it.

 

Like I said, I am not wrong, the fluff contradicts itself. It supports me as well as you, which is why I would like you, and everybody else, to please end this subject. I know I look like a :P hole because I called you a fanboy, but thats tough, if you can't take it don't say anything about a subject that contradicts itself, especially when it is indeed biased by your strange assumption that the Emperor is infallible.

 

He was incredibly noble, powerful, and was wrongly beytrayed. But that doesn't make him infallible.