Dosjetka Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I have had a thought regarding honour debts between the Iron Angels and other Chapters or organisations. In WHFB the Dwarves have a Book of Grudges and I've considered using that concept for recording all the debts of honour the Chapter still must repay. Thoughts? Too... Odd? It should also be a dataslate or something else electronic, but I quite like the idea. I agree with that too :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I love the idea, but have a question. Is it debts they feel they owe other chapters, debts they feel other chapters owe them, or both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 I'll need three-fifty for your continued use of language. I don't get the grav-town thing. It doesn't seem necessary - last I checked, people have managed to build things on the sides of mountains without the need for anti-gravity devices. I also have a very hard time picturing what you mean in my mind. Also, it would seem easier to fly than to build bridges between towns. Obvious point(s) for expansion - where do the Space Marines tie into this loyalty. How does the Jerician view of loyalty continue within the Chapter? Have the strict castes had any effect on the methods of promotion, command and structure of the Chapter? Figure that out, then provide some interesting and characterful examples for the chapter, and I think you'll be pretty well set up. In regard to the jump-pack - I think it'd work better if you emphasized its glider nature and simply expounded about how piloting them instills similar principles to those necessary for the skillful operation of Asartes jump-packs - the Imperium lost jump-packs after the heresy, and it took a while to rediscover them. Your home world shouldn't have anything too jump-packy. EDIT: Book of Grudges sounds neat, though you should probably rename it. I'm still planning to expand the Beliefs section to more properly expand this loya nature, as well as the Book of Honour-thingy. I thought I had gotten away enough from the jump pack, in that i say its a one shot thrust engine - but I shall expand it with a line or two. I liked the unique twist the wholegrav thing brought, as well as the minor positive connection to AdMec, without it being too "AWESOME".. But I have just had thought: What if a portion of the Early Chapter History was spent not in campaigning but in restablising the townships after the removel of the grav tech - taking the AdMech relationship into the negatvie, at laest on the part of the Iron Angels. I have had a thought regarding honour debts between the Iron Angels and other Chapters or organisations. In WHFB the Dwarves have a Book of Grudges and I've considered using that concept for recording all the debts of honour the Chapter still must repay. Thoughts? Too... Odd? It should also be a dataslate or something else electronic, but I quite like the idea. I don't like the idea of anything electronic - I wanted something they can be reverent about. I love the idea, but have a question. Is it debts they feel they owe other chapters, debts they feel other chapters owe them, or both. My intial feeling was the debts they owe; debts weigh heavily upon them spiritually. Although i could have both - either one tome covering both or two tomes, but that might be a bit much! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Hm...maybe one tome with two parts? Two tomes would be a bit much IMHO. I don't get the 'debt' part though...sorry. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 Hm...maybe one tome with two parts? Two tomes would be a bit much IMHO. I don't get the 'debt' part though...sorry. :huh: I want tomes, simply because its hard to feel reverent of the might dataslate of debts... A debt of honour would be something like the White Ravens returning the bodies of fallen Iron Angels - the Chapter would then be honour bound to aid the Ravens in any way possible until they could consider the debt discharged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Hm...maybe one tome with two parts? Two tomes would be a bit much IMHO. I don't get the 'debt' part though...sorry. :huh: I want tomes, simply because its hard to feel reverent of the might dataslate of debts... A debt of honour would be something like the White Ravens returning the bodies of fallen Iron Angels - the Chapter would then be honour bound to aid the Ravens in any way possible until they could consider the debt discharged. Aha, I get it...thanks CJJ. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 I'm think the tome thing as a reference in the Beliefs section and detail in a sidebar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 Have now uptdated the Homeworld and Origins sections - There is now no grav tech as the AdMech confiscated it! EDIT: Expanded on the Beliefs section too. Apart from any points picked up by you helpful Brothers, I think the biggest thing left to do is pick the geneseed donor. EDITED EDIT: Also, maybe that little blurb-esque bit after the title - except I'm rubbish at those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Two things: 1) I think that the Healer caste should be in a sub-caste of the Scholar caste. A healer starts out as a scholar and then specialises himself in healing. 2) The Chapter has abandoned battle and campaigns on the word of an Inquisitor as the Inquisitions power devolves from the Emperor. In fact any organisation or individual who can speak with power that comes from the Emperor will make the Chapter take notice What would the Chapter do if they had to abandon their allies, who are facing a great enemy, because an Inquisitor said so, do? I’m curious to know and maybe you could give an example of a battle where this situation happened in a sidebar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 The Chapter has abandoned battle and campaigns on the word of an Inquisitor as the Inquisitions power devolves from the Emperor. In fact any organisation or individual who can speak with power that comes from the Emperor will make the Chapter take notice What would the Chapter do if they had to abandon their allies, who are facing a great enemy, because an Inquisitor said so, do? I’m curious to know and maybe you could give an example of a battle where this situation happened in a sidebar? That did cross my mind, but I felt that saying the greatest loyalty was to the Emperor means they would follow his words, and by extension an Inquisitors, over anythign else - except as noted in the case of an honour debt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 The Chapter has abandoned battle and campaigns on the word of an Inquisitor as the Inquisitions power devolves from the Emperor. In fact any organisation or individual who can speak with power that comes from the Emperor will make the Chapter take notice What would the Chapter do if they had to abandon their allies, who are facing a great enemy, because an Inquisitor said so, do? I’m curious to know and maybe you could give an example of a battle where this situation happened in a sidebar? That did cross my mind, but I felt that saying the greatest loyalty was to the Emperor means they would follow his words, and by extension an Inquisitors, over anythign else - except as noted in the case of an honour debt. So then they would disobey the Emperor's orders (or from the =I=) if there is an honour debt? That's not heretical but it's disobeying. They would get punished for that, I'm sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 just a small thing, but I'm pretty sure 'unto' isn't latin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 just a small thing, but I'm pretty sure 'unto' isn't latin I have no idea, and I thought not, but thats how a translation came up.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 The Chapter has abandoned battle and campaigns on the word of an Inquisitor as the Inquisitions power devolves from the Emperor. In fact any organisation or individual who can speak with power that comes from the Emperor will make the Chapter take notice What would the Chapter do if they had to abandon their allies, who are facing a great enemy, because an Inquisitor said so, do? I’m curious to know and maybe you could give an example of a battle where this situation happened in a sidebar? That did cross my mind, but I felt that saying the greatest loyalty was to the Emperor means they would follow his words, and by extension an Inquisitors, over anythign else - except as noted in the case of an honour debt. So then they would disobey the Emperor's orders (or from the =I=) if there is an honour debt? That's not heretical but it's disobeying. They would get punished for that, I'm sure. They prise loyalty above all and though that higher loyalty is to the Emperor, loyalty to an IG regiment that has an honour debt to call in would be paramount because that loyalty is more "real". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 I've come to the conclusion that there are two possible conlcusions to the great Geneseed debate, that hasn't actually raged, and in no particular order: 1. Jaghatai Khan. 2. Robute Guilliman. Both have no known mutations, with the Khans only have a possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Actually I think geneseed is a minor concern for this chapter. Just about any will do. So in that case, I say go for the easiest ... Ultramarine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Actually I think geneseed is a minor concern for this chapter. Just about any will do. So in that case, I say go for the easiest ... Ultramarine. I agree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 Actually I think geneseed is a minor concern for this chapter. Just about any will do. So in that case, I say go for the easiest ... Ultramarine. Actually I think geneseed is a minor concern for this chapter. Just about any will do. So in that case, I say go for the easiest ... Ultramarine. I agree. Yeah, but it has just been bugging me that I havn't got it done yet. I instantly ruled out the BA, DA, IF, RG, SW (obviously) and Vulkan.. Then wihen I added the AdMech bit, I counted out the IH. Robute Guilliman it is then.. Any thoughts on from which Successor? Given that I made the original Chapter Master known for being a disciplinarian? EDIT: The following is a Lexicanum list in the Ultramarine section, for Successors. Aurora Chapter, Novamarines, White Consuls, Black Consuls, Libators, Inceptors, Praetors of Orpheus, Genesis Chapter, Mortifactors, Sons of Guilliman, Sons of Orar, Patriarchs of Ulixis, Aurora Chapter, Eagle Warriors, Doom Eagles, Silver Skulls and Iron Snakes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Sadly I know very little about the Ultramarine successors. I'm sure others will give great advice on that one. You could go directly to the source ... Ultramarine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 The name that jumps out most is Novamarines, but I like the Doom Eagles as their Lexicanum-listed speciality is "jump packs". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 just a small thing, but I'm pretty sure 'unto' isn't latin I have no idea, and I thought not, but thats how a translation came up.. You Googled 'Latin Translator' and picked the first thing that came up, didn't you? Never trust that thing, it thinks that 'thunder' isn't a word. The Romans didn't have , as far as I know, a word for unto, so you could just use the genitive case for 'Nex'-Nexi, making it Fidelis Nexi, or Faithful to Death, or Fidelis Aut Mortis-Faithful or Death. Looking good so far, apart from the lazy internet translation... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 just a small thing, but I'm pretty sure 'unto' isn't latin I have no idea, and I thought not, but thats how a translation came up.. You Googled 'Latin Translator' and picked the first thing that came up, didn't you? Never trust that thing, it thinks that 'thunder' isn't a word. The Romans didn't have , as far as I know, a word for unto, so you could just use the genitive case for 'Nex'-Nexi, making it Fidelis Nexi, or Faithful to Death, or Fidelis Aut Mortis-Faithful or Death. Looking good so far, apart from the lazy internet translation... It's one of my sins that I find Latin translations intersting until I have to do it myself, so yeah.. I trusted. My bad! So now I steal "Fidelis Nexi" too.. :P Does it seem, gentlemen, that the main article is done, so that I can add a couple of sidebars, or am I missing something? EDIT: Added in about the geneseed and updated the Origins to mention the Doom Eagles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Its hardly stealing, I gave it to you for the express use of using in this IA! Just no more lazy translators boy! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Oh, and, just a quick point, the GW IAs start with a title i.e, IA Iron Warriors is not called that, but Bitter and Twisted-it is a small thing, but it is refreshing to see someone use it, and also fairly cool -_- The rest seems fine, bring on the sidebars and colour scheme! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Oh, and, just a quick point, the GW IAs start with a title i.e, IA Iron Warriors is not called that, but Bitter and Twisted-it is a small thing, but it is refreshing to see someone use it, and also fairly cool :tu: The rest seems fine, bring on the sidebars and colour scheme! What he says (I feel too lazy repeat) -_- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/191937-ia-iron-angels/page/8/#findComment-2312662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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