Morticon Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 You guys can check out my most reccent tourney BatReps here ->BatReps I was dubious about Mephy at first. The potential for him to be "useless" against certain opponents had me concerned. Sadly, this was adequately belayed. He ripped open new ones left, right and center. It was incredible. He only died once in 6 tournament games and was responsible for 3 of my victories almost single-handedly. He took out 805 points (almost 50% of one of the opponents 1650 army BY HIMELF!!!) Yes, Eldar will shut him down. Yes, there are times his powers will fail him. But at the end of the day, you will always be able to hide him- or even transport him, almost always guarantee a 4+ cover save and at the very least have 6x S6/7 WS7 attacks from a counter attacking model. It will be sad to see him in every single list, as it will detract from a lot of characterful options we have, but his power cannot be ignored. When people start wising up and taking more plasma again, we may see his decline slowly. Until then.. Hes gonna chew through people not expecting it. (ps: Beware Arjac's squad O_o mephiston killer of NOTE) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2407774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I've only played against Mephiston once with my nids, and he spent the game hiding from my warriors. Death leaper had dropped him to Ld8, so he wasn;t getting his spells off. SitW caused him to peril once, devourers took off a wound, as did his own plasma pistol and my warriors (bonesword, lashwhips and toxin sacs) chased him around the table. The DL's power to lower leadership only works versus ICs. 0b :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2407883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 The DL's power to lower leadership only works versus ICs. 0b Oh my god I think I broke an evil laugh bone :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2407933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
coteaz40001 Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I've only played against Mephiston once with my nids, and he spent the game hiding from my warriors. Death leaper had dropped him to Ld8, so he wasn;t getting his spells off. SitW caused him to peril once, devourers took off a wound, as did his own plasma pistol and my warriors (bonesword, lashwhips and toxin sacs) chased him around the table. You got cheated. Death Leaper only works on ICs. Mephiston is not a valid target for his ability Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2407958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I've only played against Mephiston once with my nids, and he spent the game hiding from my warriors. Death leaper had dropped him to Ld8, so he wasn;t getting his spells off. SitW caused him to peril once, devourers took off a wound, as did his own plasma pistol and my warriors (bonesword, lashwhips and toxin sacs) chased him around the table. You got cheated. Death Leaper only works on ICs. Mephiston is not a valid target for his ability I don't he was the one that was cheated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2407985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aarkon Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Even in the games I have played with Mephty and he has died he has sucked up my oponents whole army shooting at him. In one case playing a 2500pt game The Lord of death took 26 rapid firing marines, 1 Melta gun, 1 rapid fired plasma gun and a las cannon shooting at him. Due to the melta gun missing, the plasma gun missing one hit and rolling a 2 to wound (LOL) and a Priest close by he took 1 wound from the Lascannon. That was 52 bolter shots, 2 Plasma gun shots, a meltagun shot and a lascannon. Which ment all that wasn't shooting at the rest of my army. In that game he still got hit points back killing 2 Land Raiders and 14 marines in total. Against the Bugs in a single 2500pt game he killed a Tirvagon, Trigon Prime and a Mawlock by himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2407990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I've only played against Mephiston once with my nids, and he spent the game hiding from my warriors. Death leaper had dropped him to Ld8, so he wasn;t getting his spells off. SitW caused him to peril once, devourers took off a wound, as did his own plasma pistol and my warriors (bonesword, lashwhips and toxin sacs) chased him around the table. You got cheated. Death Leaper only works on ICs. Mephiston is not a valid target for his ability I don't he was the one that was cheated. You may want to read coteaz's reply again igotsmakabob :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 No, he said he played against Mephiston and dropped him down to Ld8 with his Death Leaper. So he did infact, unknowingly misuse the ability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 aaand? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Coteaz said the poster got cheated, when it was in fact his opponent who got cheated. So Igotsmeakebob was correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I had someone pull that trick on me when I was running a CSM army with a pair of lash princes. It won't happen again. 0b Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 HHahhahah - DOH !!! "Pwned" for lack of a better word. * * puts on reading specs * * Someones getting old!! Heres Mort assumin' everyone posting here was the BA player! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodf Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 mephi is nice , but a quicken vanilla marine psycher can take him out in a single wound before he ever gets a hit in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aarkon Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 mephi is nice , but a quicken vanilla marine psycher can take him out in a single wound before he ever gets a hit in. This is assuming he gets the power off getting past Mephistons hood, and assuming that Mephistons Transfixing Gaze doesn't drop his WS. Since he'll hit on 4s (if Transfixing Gaze fails) he'll only hit on average 2 times, on those he needs to get a 6 to wound which isn't going to happen that often on 2 dice. Then IF he managed to get all that done he has to then pull off the Force Weapon. Thats a lot of IF's. It can happen but it isn't as easy as you are making it sound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetholicHawk Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 All transfixing gaze does is allow Mephiston to re-roll hits and wounds, so his stats will be unaffected always. Still unlikely a Librarian will succeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aarkon Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 All transfixing gaze does is allow Mephiston to re-roll hits and wounds, so his stats will be unaffected always. Still unlikely a Librarian will succeed. Ya sorry was getting this mixed up with Dante's thing for some reason. But I still stand by the fact that yes the generic librarian could do it, it isn't as easy as it was made to sound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Who runs Librarians with Quicken? Seriously. 0b :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokunator Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 I've only played against Mephiston once with my nids, and he spent the game hiding from my warriors. Death leaper had dropped him to Ld8, so he wasn;t getting his spells off. SitW caused him to peril once, devourers took off a wound, as did his own plasma pistol and my warriors (bonesword, lashwhips and toxin sacs) chased him around the table. Of course that wouldn't have worked as the Death Leaper only affects Independent Characters, which Mephiston isn't. (ok, should read all posts before commenting) I played Mephiston last weekend as part of a 6500 a side multiplayer game. He led 2500 points of Blood Angels against a gunline of Guard, Tau, Orks and Eldar and they absolutely walked through them, largely due to Mephiston. In the game, he slew: - 1 Wraithlord - the Farseer who caused 3 of the 4 wounds he lost due to his stupid Runes. - 6 Fire Dragons including Exarch - Phoenix Lord Fuegan - 3 Banshees (only 3 since there were only 3 left in the unit) - a Tau Commander plus Drones He was shot at by: - 2 Battle Cannon hits (2+ armour for the win) - several volleys by Fire Warriors - 2 Tau Commanders - etc. The funniest bit was in turn 1 when the Ork player charged straight at him with the silly Special Character Ork who can turn ICs into Squigs and a 20 Boys bodyguard, judging that their sacrifice would be worth the trade, only to realize that Mephiston could be turned into a Squig (not that I didn't nullify his psychic power that turn anyway) and thus just leaving his main unit exposed for nothing. In conclusion, he really went up in my consideration compared to the Sanguinor, as he can kill most ICs as easily as the Sanguinor, whilst being far superior against troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 I've seen him very, very mixed. In my experience, Psychic Hoods shut him down completely, forcing him to walk, meaning he's left in the open or otherwise unaccompanied (Go go Njal 3+ cancel!). Then, when met with a T-hammer/Storm Shield Lone Wolf, the Lone Wolf normally gets a shot in to drop Meph to I1, allowing either a Lord to come in and kill him at I5 next turn (Wolf Tooth Necklace for the win) or for a well-placed Rune Priest to Jaws him (thanks to the T-hammer dropping him to I1.) That said, Wolves are exceedingly well-equipped to deal with Blood Angels. Against almost any other army, I fear for the amount of carnage wrought by Mephy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 I was using Meph in a one off game versus SW earlier this week. He killed both Logan and a Wolf Lord mounted on a Thunderwolf, before either could strike back. I have found that most SW players rarely if ever field Njal, he is too expensive. Even without the Wings Meph still has fleet which is pretty darn good. 0b :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Very true, Orange. Good to see you again, by the way. How ya been? Anyways, Mephy is an anti-character BEAST. If you approach him (as a Wolf) in any way but with the utmost care, he can and will annihilate you, your family, your dog, your cat, your cat's wedlock-kittens, and the mice and rabbits that those cats have failed to kill. Although a well-equipped squad, and Arjac (as was said earlier) stand a decent chance of dropping him, that chance drops significantly if you play poorly or allow Mephy to get into an assault supported by DC or other fast-moving, hard-to-kill BA squads. He's definitely a monster, that's for sure. (Makes me glad they're not redoing Chaos for a while, otherwise we'd probably have 8 wound 24" move S10 Daemons on our hands... Blegh.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Arjac makes baby Mephiston cry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aarkon Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Swarmlord makes him pee his pants as well. I played nids he took out a slew of monsters before this guy stepped up to the plate with him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Swarmlord makes him pee his pants as well. I played nids he took out a slew of monsters before this guy stepped up to the plate with him. Swarmlord eats mephy, yeah. However, Ive found that you do stand a chance with Corbs in the army. (FC and the reroll allows you to strike first, and reroll a botched psych test from Shadow) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2408707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAdragon Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Can you fire JotWW in CC? Or are ppl hit by it in CC? Im not sure since I dont have the SW codex. Another thing, do Thunder Hammers bring your I down to one or do you merely strike at the same time next round as I1? It makes a difference. Especiialy if someone tries what Decoy suggested. (Although if it does work it would be a very effective way of shutting down mephy). And another psychy thing: Do the SW runepriests etc cancel any and all enemy psychy powers on a 3 or 4+ (cant remember which one) or only powers which target SW? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198304-mephiston/page/2/#findComment-2409827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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