Brother Aiwass Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Hi gents, I'm wondering about make a pre heresy World Eaters (I really feel the urge) but I don't know what codex fits better. Codex Chaos Space Marines: Face it, Khârn! and berzerkers! Codex Space Marines: Flexibility to make your own Chapter Master and run a 'standard legion'. Codex Blood Angels: Death Co. 'zerkers', lots of assault marines. Whatever the codex, I don't want to take no PH/WE options/units like Baals, librarians of any type, plague marines/sanguinary guard and so on. So what do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Probably the Codex Blood Angels, as that allows you to take Troops Choices with close combat weapons. You shoudl take them without the Jump Packs though. The psycho-lobotomized Marines of the pre-heresy World Eaters probably were not quite "Khorne Berserkers". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I thought the World Eaters had Libraians, didn't the killing of them signal the corruption of the World Eaters or something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 If you are looking for a leagal rule set I would actually seggest wolfs. Bigger leagion type squads. Less heavy weapons enphasis, and a lead by champions aditude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted April 25, 2010 Author Share Posted April 25, 2010 Good thoght, I must think about SW. One strong point for the BA are the 'count as' Khârn/Seth and the DC but I'm going to check right now the SW codex and... still trying ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Codex SW- Ragnar as a counts as Khârn perhaps? Packs of up to 15 Blood Claws etc etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 If you are looking for a leagal rule set I would actually seggest wolfs. Bigger leagion type squads. Less heavy weapons enphasis, and a lead by champions aditude. the "bigger squads" have WS3 though, which does not strike me as a World Eaters thing. With BA or SW you get the following HtH Troops choice: BA - Assault Squads (without the Jump Pack) - basic Marines with two CCWs and the option for two special weapons - chance to get "Furious Charge" and "Fearless" on a roll of 1 at the start of the game - allways comes with a transport if no Jump Pakc are used SW - Grey Hunters - Marines with two CCWs and the option for two special weapons - Boltguns in addition to the CCWs - counter-attack - "Sergeant" has to be bought via Wolf Guard The Space Wolves unit is a bit cheaper, but I would say the chance to get a fearless squad with furious charge is a bot more suitable than counnter-attack. Also, SW Bikes and Assault Marines only get WS3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted April 25, 2010 Author Share Posted April 25, 2010 Codex SW- Ragnar as a counts as Khârn perhaps? Packs of up to 15 Blood Claws etc etc. Yep, Ragnar can be a great 'count as' for Khârn, but at the cost of a Redeemer. If you are looking for a leagal rule set I would actually seggest wolfs. Bigger leagion type squads. Less heavy weapons enphasis, and a lead by champions aditude. the "bigger squads" have WS3 though, which does not strike me as a World Eaters thing. ^QTF. In one side we have up to 4 HQ units, Ragnar and the Wolf Guard (amazing boys) and Counter-Attack, but the HtH oriented units (Blood Claws & Skyclaws) are only WS 3. On the other side Seth and the Death Co., Assault as troops but weaker scouts and no CA rule. Just one thing is annoying me about BA, their Godwyn Landraider (Mk2a & b are the only avaiable in the PH era I think) is just 10 of transport capacity, witch means no TDA "guard" for a Captain/Chapter Master :rolleyes: I'm wondering about the Stormraven being a "count as" Storm Hawk (Heresy rule-set from http://www.tempusfugitives.co.uk). Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razblood Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Black Templars rules would probably be good. I could envision World Eaters throwing new recruits straight into the grinder before full implantation :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 In one side we have up to 4 HQ units, Ragnar and the Wolf Guard (amazing boys) I am not sure Wolf Guard can compare to the Death Company. and Counter-Attack, but the HtH oriented units (Blood Claws & Skyclaws) are only WS 3. On the other side Seth and the Death Co., Assault as troops but weaker scouts and no CA rule. It's 'Counter-attack' versus the 1 in 6 chance that the unit has 'Furious Charge' and 'Fearless'. Also, I am still not convinced that the pre-heresy Legions employed Scouts at all. I have allways been under the impression that pre-heresy new Marines were put straight in a suit of power armour and sent to the front lines, while the slower and more controlled training of new Marines was one of the issues established by the Codex Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 In one side we have up to 4 HQ units, Ragnar and the Wolf Guard (amazing boys) I am not sure Wolf Guard can compare to the Death Company. and Counter-Attack, but the HtH oriented units (Blood Claws & Skyclaws) are only WS 3. On the other side Seth and the Death Co., Assault as troops but weaker scouts and no CA rule. It's 'Counter-attack' versus the 1 in 6 chance that the unit has 'Furious Charge' and 'Fearless'. Also, I am still not convinced that the pre-heresy Legions employed Scouts at all. I have allways been under the impression that pre-heresy new Marines were put straight in a suit of power armour and sent to the front lines, while the slower and more controlled training of new Marines was one of the issues established by the Codex Astartes. The Collected Visions book has atleast one picture of World Eaters in Scout armor that i can think of off the top of my head. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 IIRC it also has Assault Cannons. And 100,000 strong Legions (which, I recently found out, at least some of the Horus Heresy books disagree with. I have found a couple of references to 10,000 strong Legions in the first few books...). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 IIRC it also has Assault Cannons. And 100,000 strong Legions (which, I recently found out, at least some of the Horus Heresy books disagree with. And Whirlwinds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 And Vindicators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted April 25, 2010 Author Share Posted April 25, 2010 Black Templars rules would probably be good. I could envision World Eaters throwing new recruits straight into the grinder before full implantation :D Yeah! Good point here :D I really don't know how makes me feel that the Emperor's Champion count as Khârn xD So now is between BA and BT but 1/6 to Furious Charge... I can't... resist :) I think that I try both codexes, but something tells me that BA codex have more chances to win. Now take a look and start to drop stuff. -Dante, leave it for a future pre heresy Night Lords :sweat: -Seth, ok, count as Khârn. -Astorath, Don't fit very much even in the NL I think, right? -Sanguinor... Another NL character? I really don't know but not in WE -Meph. & Tycho, they don't. -Chaplains don't fit too, not sure about the librarians, but don't bet my money in they. Hum, better than that, make it easy. WE surely can take: Seth/Khârn Captain and/or HG Assault termies Tac squads Death co./Lobotomized marines Assault squads w/o jump packs (0-1 JP?) Land Raider Rhino Land speeders Normal dread AC predator And some stuff that I'm not sure: 0-1 dev squad? (Not very sure but don't think it's crazy) Stormraven? (Count as pre heresy Storm Hawk perhaps) Bikes/Biker scouts? (No idea about that) DC dread? (Fit with the WE carnage signature, but fluff?) Combatty scouts? Furioso with frag cannon? Drop pod? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2376961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 AH, my continued mistake: using established fluff in a point differing then Legatus because it conflicts with his view of a fictional and often contradictory events handled by a company that has shown a complete disregard for their own material, epscially amongst their authors. what a fool i am! WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2377079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Azeikel Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 I find it rather sad that no ones pushed the chaos codex. It fits the World Eaters rather well in my opinion, well it's the one I'm using for them.... Your regular troops have bolters, bolt pistols and close combat weapons allowing you to model them with bolter which is what the standard armament is suggested to be and get the extra attack to symbolise their close combat prowess and the psycho surgery. Also you have the option to do big squads. Khorne Bezerkers can be used as a veteran squad or squads, and you terminators (if you take any) have access to more per heresy like organisation and wargear (reaper autocannon). Just don't use any chaos things like demonic stuff, spawn, plague marines, thousand sons or noise marines and you're set. Azeikel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2377095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 I find it rather sad that no ones pushed the chaos codex.It fits the World Eaters rather well in my opinion, well it's the one I'm using for them.... Your regular troops have bolters, bolt pistols and close combat weapons allowing you to model them with bolter which is what the standard armament is suggested to be and get the extra attack to symbolise their close combat prowess and the psycho surgery. Also you have the option to do big squads. Khorne Bezerkers can be used as a veteran squad or squads, and you terminators (if you take any) have access to more per heresy like organisation and wargear (reaper autocannon). Just don't use any chaos things like demonic stuff, spawn, plague marines, thousand sons or noise marines and you're set. Azeikel i think the chaos codex is the way to go for most of the PH Legions, with the exception of the Wolves and the Ultramarines. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2377096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted April 26, 2010 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 Azekiel & WLK, yes I think you're right. I will consult it with the pillow! Thank you all very much for your thoughts gents :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2377120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted April 26, 2010 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 Sorry for the double post. Finally I go for the C:CSM -my pillow's orders. Sadly no dreadclaws, storm hawks or scouts for me ;) but I have a question for you fellows. Since the SCM have no standard bearers, do you consider viable to take icons/relics? I'm wondering about two: -Glory of Chaos (not sure how is in the english codex, it's a rude translation) for re-roll morale tests, since WE are rude boys who fears nothing. -Mark of Khorne, to represent the more close combat doctrines of the World Eaters. I don't want to abuse of this but represent command squads with Legion/Grand Company standards. What do you think about this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2377534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 their Godwyn Landraider... No such thing... It's Phobos pattern, Godwyn is a Lascannon pattern. Picky, but thats a common misconception. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2377641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissah Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Chaos Codex you got Khârn in it why make a count as Khârn when you can have the real deal :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2377763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Mojonir Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 their Godwyn Landraider... No such thing... It's Phobos pattern, Godwyn is a Lascannon pattern. Picky, but thats a common misconception. I always thought a Phobos pattern Land Raider was armed with Godhammer Lascannons and that a Godwyn was a pattern of bolter, used by the Sisters of Battle or Space Marines armed with plastic weapons purchased in the 90's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2379833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 ^-^ So true Astartes still use the godwyn bolter, just a newer mark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2379983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted April 28, 2010 Author Share Posted April 28, 2010 Yeah, my bad, just mixing godwyn with godhammer /facepalm. So how about the banners/marks? I guess that "who shut up, gives" as they say in my homeland. If you know what I mean xD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199554-pre-heresy-legion/#findComment-2380220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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