daboarder Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Hi all its me again. Let me start this topic by providing some of the background as to how it came to be..... You see way back when GW released the PDF and DA plastics I cam up with what I thought at the time was a great idea. Since all the Loyalist armies at the time looked like they we're going to be the same at their core I descided it would be great if I added squads from other chapters to form a "crusade" addition to my BA's, this would mean that I would be able to field any of the minatures from any of the SM ranges. In order to allow acces to Chaos marines I intended to include a contigent of soul drinkers into the army. With this in mind I bought 2 boxes of Chaos marines, a box of Chaos termies and the lord. Then rea;l life caught up and the project was left by the wayside. Then with the release of the current BA I decided I wanted an army that played differently to my BA's. Being the fluff nut that I was I decided that the best counter to my BA would be Chaos space marines that used to be BA, or atleast lead by a lord who was once a BA. The only problem wiht this was I couldn't really find a good fluffy way to take the army I wanted to without breaking some fluff. What I wanted was a "shock and awe" army made of Plague marines, Chaos termies, Land raiders, and Obliterators. I had been going to make them a "black legion" force that had access to traitor apothecaries allowing for the PM's to get FNP from a fluf percpective however this didn't sit well and so the project looked ready to go back under the bed. Then low and behold the great BnC offered me delliverence, and it's name was the Dornian Heresy. With this alternate Time line in hand I decided that it was perfect for my BA's to succumb to nurgle and so the army began again. The colour scheme for this army will be Blood red and gold trim with strong devlan mud washes to produce a highly aged look. I have considered using scab red as it is darker but we will see how the current ideaturns out. Now I intend for this thread to allow me to show you guys my WIP as well as explaining my design deciscions, so without further ado I shall kick off proceding's with my WIP Chaos lord. These pictures are all of the Pre-Greenstuff stage. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/019.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/020.jpg This next shot is his Daemon weapon. the fluff behind it is that my lord was possesed by a Daemon of nurgle but supress's it ad uses its power to his own ends. Model wise the right hand side of the minature is going to be more mutated than the left, as seen with the arm and the spikes growing out of the armour on the shoulder and legs. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/021.jpg Next up is his shield, The idea behind this is that I wanted to take the classic image of a knight/space marine/ generic hero standing with one foot on a vaquished foe, with weapon in one hand and shield in the other and twist it into a cruel parody. (see I'm playing the nemesis card again) as such I decided it would be cool if my lord had taken a shield from a vanquished hero and "improved it". This is what I came up with. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/018.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/017.jpg Conversion notes: The shield/ left arm is going to have green stuff added on the back to make it look as if the shield is starting to grow onto the lord, as well as a toxin sac for the spike at the bottom. The blood angel symbol will also be growing onto/into the shoulder pad along with the spikes on the right arm and the Daemon head on the chest. The lord is also going to be "gifted" with a set of Wings from the TK carrion to provide yet another ironic counter to my BA succesor HQ's, as well as having key plates or armour recieve the "musculature" treatment. So what do you gusy think? Love it or hate is please let me know, and as always advice is appreciated. PS: please excuse the terrible spelling, I'm a chemistry student, haven't done english in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eberious Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Sounds good, I had the exact same idea. Maybe not nurlge but a chaos of some kind, as me and my mate were both going to do BA's and I thought I'm always loyalist and to put a spin on it was going to go chaos (from an alternate dimention that some how got forced together) while he remained loyalist. But he went orks instead so keeping mine as the standard BA's. So will be intresting to see this idea carried out. Sorry,forgot to say great start. Love the damaged shoulder pad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Although I hate the idea of BA turning nurgle... just doesnt make sense to me. That is a great looking conversion really love the model and can't wait to see him complete and with a few coats of paint on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted May 13, 2010 Author Share Posted May 13, 2010 The second Instalment So last night I decided to do alot of the green stuff work on my lord. The torso is complete barring the wings and cloak that will be attached this weekend and the front half of the shield and the shoulder pad on the left arm have been completed. I'm currently thinking that I will paint the "stretched flesh" bits in red and use a red wash on them but I'm not sure If that will constrast it enough compared toe red armour with a devlan mud wash. What do you guys think? How about painting one of the 2 reds as scab red and if so which one would you paint darker, the flesh or armour? Also does anyone know a good way to paint a Sickly green corpse flesh colour using only a few coats? If so could you please tell me as I want to paint the "Marine" parts of these models as cadavers to play on the undead side of the vampire mythos. Onto the pictures: First up is the Deamon weapon, Its pretty much complete now I'm happy with the way the green stuff has really blurred the line between flesh and armour. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/004-1.jpg Now we have the front and side versions of the lords torso. I decided to mold the Skull on the front into the armour to help make it look more a piece of it and less of an ornament that was just tacked on. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/001.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/002.jpg Now we have the front facing of the shield, this is probably the part of the minature that I'm most happy about, Its turning out even better than I intended. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/005.jpg And last but not least are the front and back pictures of the shoulder pad. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/006.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/007.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Nice greenstuff skills, even though I can't get my head round nurgle BA, its nice to try something out of the box. Discustingly good :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Wicked cool idea dude. I hope the idea continues to gain or at least keep its momentum. Also very cool that the BnC could help facilitate the idea via the DH !! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I'm intrigued and repulsed all at once. Awesome job so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted May 14, 2010 Author Share Posted May 14, 2010 Here are the Latest photos of both the back of the shield and the attached arm, I'm quite please with the results but what do you guys think? http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/001-1.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/002-1.jpg And here is the attached shot. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/003.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/004-2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gridlocked Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Great skills you have there sir! It's like a Dornian Heresy BA army! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatter Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Nice green stuffery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glider0880 Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 GET THE HELL OUT THE BLOOD ANGELS FORUM! YOU DISGUST ME! Lol... Great conversions and love the idea. Brilliant greenstuffery! Keep it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeller Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 The demon head on the armor is brilliant. Now if someone can figure how to give a bolter a demonic head instead of a gun barrel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicksy Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Wow! That looks great! I love the pus sacs hanging from the storm shield :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Ugh.. this is painful to look at (the poor, poor BA's!) but it's really great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted May 17, 2010 Author Share Posted May 17, 2010 Guess who's back! Back again. So this time I'm going to be delving ALOT deaper into my design process and the further developement of this army starting with the basing and slight alteration of my "Typhus". First up a rules explanation, you see for years I've wanted to convert a Chaose lord based upon the Deathknight image in the warcraft 3 handbook, I never could quite get it down right until I started this incarnation. Now the Idea of a death knight is and undead champion that has both magical powers and notable battle prowess, now in the Chaos Undivided realm the closest one can get to this is to take a Sorcerer. Now there were a few problems with this in my mind and the first of which was the sorcerers ability to only take and cast one power a turn. Thats kinda pitiful with regards to the more recent codex really. And the second was becasue the Sorcerer isn't much of a beast in combat. Now when I felt the pull of the Plague god I was reading through the rules for all the dedicaded nurgle units and I ran across the entry for Typhus, this was exactly what I had been aiming for ( though originally without the nurgle lean) so my new Plague lord will be following the rules for Typhus. Now onto the minatures. First up is my lord again, this time he is on what will be his base after some green stuffing to nurgle-ize it and some sand so that it fits my board. Originaly I didn't want to use the base supplied by with the chaos lord as it seemd too "generic" to me but due to lack of being able to find a suitable replacement and the success of the green stuff on my lord I decided to go with simplicity and modify this myself. Also of note is the removal of the Tyranid skull trophy rack, this was in part to make room for a pair of carrion wings and also to allow for the addition of one of the skeletons like the one on the base. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/004-3.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/007-1.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/006-1.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/010.jpg This shot shows the back where the carrion wings will attach when they become available ( Curse GW selling the last one to the guy before me, TWICE!) http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/008.jpg Now we have the Pre-Green stuff Terminators, This squad will ultimately consist of 6 terminators and act as a retinue for my lord adding up to the magic number of nurgle. While cinstructing the squad it occured to me that I would need to include a bearer of an icon of nurgle, after a little rule checking I found no reason not to take it on my asspiring champion and so decided upon the Idea of making all my aspiring champions into Sanguinary Plague Priests, to facilitate this idea I decided that they would all have a "plague grail" upon their right shoulder pad. this one on the Terminator is made form an unsided down shoulder pad slightly carved to fit and will be heavily greenstuffed. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/012.jpg His load out is a combi-flamer and power waepon. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/011.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/013.jpg This is the rest of the squad, first guy is equiped with a Heavy flamer and Chain fist. With this army I was trying to get back the wackyness of 40k and many of my miniatures are an attempt to recapture much of the 3rd ed or older artwork with john blanche of particular note. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/017-1.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/018-1.jpg These guys have a combi-bolter and power fist. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/015.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/016.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/019-1.jpg The last guys has a power weapon and Combi- bolter. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/014.jpg This guy is going to be the "aspiring champion" for my first marine squad and will also likely be the test marine for my scheme. He is also pre-greenstuff and canny BA's will notice the use of a grail shoulder pad. (it was a painful descicion believe me.) he has a power fist and bolt pistol http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/001-2.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/002-2.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/003-1.jpg Thats all for now but more greenstuff/assembly will be conducted tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted May 19, 2010 Author Share Posted May 19, 2010 First of all allow me to thank everyone who shows enough interest in this project to leave a comment; it can be disheartening to see large numbers of views with very few replies. Even if it is just a “keep up the good work” or “I’m not really a fan” you’re comments are much appreciated. So here is the first painted miniature. This is ultimately how I want all my Aspiring champion’s to look, however for the other marines in my army I intend to invert the scheme so that the base colour is the red with a mud wash and the “growth’s” are bone with a red wash. Note: the model is not complete because my fine brush died doing the flesh area’s and it will be a few day before I get a replacement. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/006-2.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/005-2.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/007-2.jpg This next photo is what the red looks like when it has been given a mud wash. Some will not that this place was previously taken by a slaanesh shoulder pad that was intended to be the body for a chalice conversion; well I couldn’t get that to work to my satisfaction and so replaced it with this simple conversion. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/008-1.jpg As always comments are much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Nooooooooooooooooooooo~ More reeeeeeeeeeeeed !!! ><; Dude- seriously- whats with green? Thought you're going for Nurgle BA ? Not....BA Nurgle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Aww I liked it up until the painted photo due to they just look like Nurgle now I too was hoping to see lots more red great conversions though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 More red. They were entirely red in the DH pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kael Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Nooooooooooooooooooooo~ More reeeeeeeeeeeeed !!! ><; Dude- seriously- whats with green? Thought you're going for Nurgle BA ? Not....BA Nurgle? He said above this: So here is the first painted miniature. This is ultimately how I want all my Aspiring champion’s to look, however for the other marines in my army I intend to invert the scheme so that the base colour is the red with a mud wash and the “growth’s” are bone with a red wash.Note: the model is not complete because my fine brush died doing the flesh area’s and it will be a few day before I get a replacement. So his champions will only look like this, the rest of the marines will be red. Captain Kael :woot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarakin Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Hi mate, absolutely love the work you're doing here! Do you plan on creating an army for gaming or are you just having fun modelling it all? If you're gaming with it, intend on using the BA codex as is, or the C:CSM? As for the comment on high views, low replies being disenheartening, I know exactly what you mean, have had the same with my WIP log. Anyway, keep up the good work, and I look forward to seeing more, especially the Chaos Lord when all painted up - he looks amazing! :) Edit: Just read through your original post properly and realised my first question is redundant! Although I'm still wondering what you're going to do codex-usage wise, have a blend of the two with units from both codices? Figured out any army lists yet? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Nice take on the Dornian Heresy and great GS skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 So it turns out devlan mud has a green pigment in it (I honestly did not know that). this works unintentionally well on my aspiring champs but it gives me a problem with my red marines, and that problem is named purple. That’s right when I wash my red marines in mud they don’t look so hot and I was a little unsure on how to overcome this and get an aged red. The possibilities are I think either changing to red gore and ditching the wash (I think the washes add to much character to drop though), changing the wash used to badab black ( I might go with this one, if anyone has any experience with this please let me know how it turns out) or doing what I did this time and after washing very lightly dry-brushing with blood red one final time (though I’m not sure this achieved the look I wanted). If anyone else has another idea please let me know. So here’s the basic scheme and there is just a few things to note here. Firstly I was trying to do this one quickly this morning and so decided to dry the wash with my halogen lamp (I’ve done it before), unfortunately I just melted my dude so some green stuff will be added to the back to alleviate this mistake. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/001-5.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/002-5.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/003-4.jpg PS: does anyone have any good ideas on how to paint warpfire? I don't think the lighting I've used is very flatering, I'll try to find better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortifer Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 ...I've been trying to fight the urge to respond to this thread... what with you being a traitor and all :D ... but I've finally given in. Wicked GS skills mate and a brilliant take on the alternative universe. Really looking forward to seeing these finished. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted May 21, 2010 Author Share Posted May 21, 2010 I’d like to thank you guys for your advice on how to overcome the pigment issue and I tried out the ones that I could readily do. I think I’ve found a method that suits my painting style and time constraints to my liking. It’s going to be a couple of watered down washes of devlan mud instead of a thick one, this lets the colouring run into the gaps without covering the plates too badly. After that the red is touched up with a very very faint drybrush. Here are the results and I’m quite happy with them. The first 2 photo’s are a comparison to how It looks before and after the wash http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/005-3.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/004-7.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/003-5.jpg This next photo shows the pustules with a watered down red wash, they will be getting another one of these and then a light bleached bone brush. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/005-4.jpg And this is a comparison shot between this red and my BA successor’s red. http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/daboarder/006-3.jpg Now I would like to share some ideas with you guys about how this army will progress. After I have completed the lord, terminators and my 2 squads of CSM’s I will be purchasing a box of chaos terminators to convert into obliterators (I have some really strong Ideas about these) and a SM venerable dreadnought to “improve”. With that in mind I felt like sharing what I think will be the list I will ultimately be going with. HQ: High plague priest Yersinia: Typhus Total:225pts Elites: 6xTerminators Icon of nurgle Champion Combi-flamer Heavy flamer Chain fist 2xpowerfists 5xCombi-meltas Total: 290pts Dreadnought Plasma cannon Heavy flamer Total: 110pts Dreadnought Plasma cannon Heavy flamer Total: 110pts Troops: 10x chaos marines Champion Icon of nurgle Power fist plasma gun Total: 270 10x chaos marines Champion Icon of nurgle Power fist plasma gun Total: 270 Heavy support: 3x Obliterators: 225pts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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