Guards Terminatus

[CaptGarro]

Guards Terminatus

 

Now, I was thinking about starting a pre-heresy marine army, but found that quite hard an undertaking, so I decided to make my own chapter. Please note if I've broken any of the DIY's rules, except if I've explained them adequately.

 

Necessitas non habet legem

-Inscribed on a legionnaires battle standard

 

Guards Terminatus, already a controversial chapter amongs the astartes, has a dark secret: Their 7th company has been declared renegade by their own battle-brothers.

 

About the chapter:

 

Guards Terminatus are thought to be a 13th founding chapter, with their geneseed being Dark Angels, specifically made to hunt down the fallen in the Segmentum Obscurus. They employ extensive terminator forces along with huge numbers of foot-slogging infantry and Devastators, for they mainly commit boarding operations and other assignments where treaded vehicles cannot be used for support. On open fields, such as their Chapel Monastery's building site they use heavily armed dreadnoughts and their chapter's only two land raiders.

 

They are rumoured to worship the Omnissiah among other things, but nobody's seen anything out of order while walking on the chapter's battle barge Eisenspeer. Each of the chapter's companies distinguish themselves somehow other than just their armour's colour, and synergy is often required between companies:

 

1st company: 1st company's leader's title is Lord. 1st company contains the most terminators in the army. One of the chapter's Land Raiders is also committed to them.

 

2nd company: 2nd company usually fields the most infantry. Has 2 dreadnoughts.

 

3rd company is the fire-support company. They have numerous devastators and whirlwinds.

 

4th company holds the chapter's close combat specialists:

4 squads of Assault marines and the chapter's only 3 rhinos.

 

5th Company is similar to the second.

 

6th Company was entirely committed to on-board duties before the 7th defected.

 

7th: The chapter master's company. 7th company used to hold the second most terminators in the army. It also held the chapter's second Land Raider and two Dreadnoughts.

All in all, It was the most balanced company, able to function independly.

 

Many Veterans are distributed amongst the squads to keep the soldier's Loyalty to Adrien, not to the ruinous powers.

Chapter's monastery is currently being built on Kheeg IV, near the Eye of Terror. The monastery will have the largest chapel designated to the emperor in the system.

 

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Nutclear/spacemarinecolourschemefinal-2.jpg

a 7th company soldier.

 

The master's treachery

 

While battling the nurgle's plague aboard the chapter's flagship, Eisenspeer, Terminus Adriel along with his high command were infected with the nurgle's plague, slowly transforming them to living dead. Nurgle however saw potential on Terminus, and decided to convert him to his will. Adriel's mind was strong, though, and he wouldn't give unto Nurgle, causing him to go mad. Even after that, he commanded a shipful of marines, and slowly Nurgle managed to convert them all against their old master, who had no possibility to give in.

His ship's crew was dead, however and the ship was left drifting in the space. Slowly it approached the eye of terror and it's certain doom. This was when Terminus regained control of his mind, and managed to shift the ship's course away from the eye. Slowly recovering, he was bound to his terminator armour by the nurgle's influence, and he has to use a respiratory system for the rest of his life. Now, only a few veterans of the journey are alive, and since they have been excommunicated from the emperor they gather many of the other defectors to their army.

They still consider themselves loyal, and try to avoid all battle with imperial forces if possible. They hunt down every heretic and alien they find, seeking salvation in the eyes of the emperor, something they'll never get as long as a single mutated veteran is alive.

 

Terminus's warband is very tightly organized, and his battle cry ”EVEN IN CHAOS THERE WILL BE ORDER” - a tribute to the events aboard the Eisenspeer – Is inscribed on his battle standard.

 

The army looks rugged, and since they accept so many others in their army, the entire force rarely carries the uniform colour of the Guards Terminatus.

Since they avoid contact with the enemy, they usually raid chaos outposts and bases when they need equipment, though their armour varies from pre-heresy to the newer Mark VIII armour.

 

The legion's leader, Terminus, uses a special Manreaper, which has a twin-linked bolter attached to it, so he can shoot while holding the two-handed scythe. His personal bodyguard also uses a similar weapon.

 

When not fielding terminators, the army employs two to three large tactical squads who advance mainly through cover and one or two devastator squads who keep the enemy's head down with a continuous hail of fire.

 

Normally when using terminators they teleport behind the enemy's lines and start chewing the enemy from the inside. Sometimes Dreadnoughts are employed in the support of the squads.

Guards Terminatus 7th Company and the lead of the chapter

 

Hochmeister Terminus Adriel (chapter master)

 

Großgebietiger

 

Großkomtur Otto von Cronberg (first captain)

Spitler Damasus (apotechary)

Marschall Maximilian Reuss (master of recruitment, commander of the splinters)

Generalprokurator Facilis (master of the veterans and moral [chaplain])

Bibliothekar Emidius

 

The Ballei

(leaders of the terminators)

Kammerbaleien of the first

Kammerbaleien of the second

Kammerbaleien of the third

 

Kapitelmeister (leaders of the splinters)

Euronyme, leader of all the defected angels (leads all defectors from dark- and blood angels and successors)

Othmar Heidel, leader of the pure (Leads mostly everyone else who defects)

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

First off, welcome to the B&C and the Liber Astartes sub-forum, here after referred to as the Liber or Liber.

 

The first thing I will mention on your IA is the inclusion of home-grown rules at the end. While it's perfectly fine to have your own home-grown rules for your DIY chapter, Liber is not the place for them or the development of such rules. There is another sub-forum available for just that purpose.

 

Before anyone rips into you about your choice of 'loyal traitors', especially this far the other side of the Heresy I would direct you to have a good read of the Liber's Guide to DIYing.

 

Now, I presume that Garro's fate wasn't sealed in the official fluff

 

Now this here is the crux of the problem with what you have here. This could be fine as a pure 'flight of fancy' and you can model and make rules to your heart's content for that. But for a B&C Liber DIY there are certain things that are heavily frowned upon. Presuming that you can write a follow-up to the fate of a character such as Garro is one of them.

 

Not only that but it's better for you if you leave such things aside. If GW retcons or reconstructs any of it's old material or even introduces new fluff that contradicts your own you will essentially be up a well known creek with nary a spatula, let alone a paddle.

 

I understand full well the allure of the Pre-Heresy legions and the loyalists from those legions. However, their use as DIY material crosses a few boundaries that are, again, frowned upon by the members here when crossed.

 

With that said, I'll let you read the guide before going any further. I might also suggest the Octaguide, written by one of the Liber's most annoying, abrasive and yet consistently wise-worded members, Octavulg.

 

 

As a final note, if Ace lands his sorry behind in this thread, you listen to what he has to say as he is usually right on the money.

[CaptGarro]

I read through the DIY guide, but I wasn't aware that I had stepped on so many toes, so I guess I'll have to eliminate Garro, and the home-brewn rules, however, I'd like to keep the vets from the first Eisenstein, since whole chapters have been forgiven after the heresy, for heresy (check mantis warriors), so I thought that 70 legionaries could have been accepted back to the imperium. Of course if all of those links to pre-heresy are that bad, I'll eliminate them too, but then I'd have to make another excuse to make a successor chapter with termies, pre-heresy and heresy armor and sometimes a very, very limited access to some inquisition... And I'll have to create an all-new hero for the chapter... Perhaps one of the vets, or another heroic terminator... That armor is just cool!

 

PS. I'll update the first post after some more insight into the problems. Ideas would be welcome also!

[Ace Debonair]

Now, I presume that Garro's fate wasn't sealed in the official fluff

 

Now this here is the crux of the problem with what you have here. This could be fine as a pure 'flight of fancy' and you can model and make rules to your heart's content for that. But for a B&C Liber DIY there are certain things that are heavily frowned upon. Presuming that you can write a follow-up to the fate of a character such as Garro is one of them.

 

Not only that but it's better for you if you leave such things aside. If GW retcons or reconstructs any of it's old material or even introduces new fluff that contradicts your own you will essentially be up a well known creek with nary a spatula, let alone a paddle.

 

I understand full well the allure of the Pre-Heresy legions and the loyalists from those legions. However, their use as DIY material crosses a few boundaries that are, again, frowned upon by the members here when crossed.

 

Although there's nothing wrong with ripping the character off. Just plaster a different name in there and avoid any specifically Garro-exclusive background, and voila. ;)

 

Just to highlight the problem as it stands: The High Lords of Terra are as likely to create a chapter from traitor geneseed as they are to... er... well, it's very, very unlikely. :P

 

They have plenty of traitor geneseed in vaults somewhere, but they also have geneseed from the chapters that didn't go all chaos-y and spikey, and are therefore a safer bet. Nobody wants a second Heresy, after all.

 

So, the favoured solution would be to create a chapter that inherits the wanted traits of the Death Guard, and maybe drop hints that they are successors, but not make it obvious. Keeping the geneseed unknown, or even having the chapter claim it to be degraded geneseed from another line can help tons.

 

Although I will reinforce GHY when he says feel free to make a Garro model and rules. That would be awesome.

But keep him out of the IA if you can. It'll almost definitely be more trouble and work than it's worth to put him in.

 

It's as if the chapter was degrading too, for their armour is starting to show extensive battle-damage, wear and tear, and is greatly similar to that of the Heresy-era DG, and because of that, Inquisitors are frequently dispatched with the companies to the battles.

That's cool. If you keep things unknown, geneseed wise, that would be a pretty solid hint without actually being a slap in the face. Er, if you take out the statement they're like the Heresy-era DG, obviously. :lol:

 

As a side note that colour scheme of yours rocks hard.

 

As a final note, if Ace lands his sorry behind in this thread, you listen to what he has to say as he is usually right on the money.

Only because I repeat what wiser people have said on other, older threads, albeit with my own twists and altered to suit the topic at hand.

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

Only because I repeat what wiser people have said on other, older threads, albeit with my own twists and altered to suit the topic at hand.

 

Why I didn't know you had been following my work that long Ace........... :lol:

[CaptGarro]

Well, here are some more pictures about the colour scheme:

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Nutclear/Shoulderpadtemplate.png

First, the chapter icon on a shoulder pad. It's supposed to be a red circle with two spikes from the sides and a skull in the middle.

Then, a veteran terminator from the 7th Company. Notice the veterans do not carry the Icon on their shoulders.

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Nutclear/GuardsTerminatusVeteranTerminator.png

I haven't got the models yet, It'll be a week or so of planning and then modelling before painting.

I'm going to use mainly washes here, green, brown and maybe black over a white basecoat.

[Pcm979]

Just to highlight the problem as it stands: The High Lords of Terra are as likely to create a chapter from traitor geneseed as they are to... er... well, it's very, very unlikely. :P

Drink shots of pure promethium out of a Daemonette's bellybutton?

[Ace Debonair]

Just to highlight the problem as it stands: The High Lords of Terra are as likely to create a chapter from traitor geneseed as they are to... er... well, it's very, very unlikely. ^_^

Drink shots of pure promethium out of a Daemonette's bellybutton?

 

Nice. :lol:

 

Chapter symbol looks good.

I look forward to seeing this chapter develop!

[CaptGarro]

:rolleyes: Authorized re-creation of chapter data

+++Re-creation of data from chapter Guards Terminatus, authorized by Chapter Lord Terminus Adrien+++

Link established...Data-writing in progress.

GUARDS TERMINATUS

 

Chapter founding: 3rd

Chapter Master Lord: Terminus Adrien

Number of companies: 7 Companies, 3 Great, 1 Lord's Company (compromised mainly of veteran units)

Homeworld: Currently searching for an appropriate world, Chapter based on Battle-barge Eisenspeer II

Gene-seed: Unconfirmed, speculated Ultramarine.

Confirmed links to Adeptus Mechanicus and frequent inspections by the Inquisition.

Also of note: Guards Terminatus employ extensive Terminator forces.

 

History, Important battles and the founding.

Not much is known about the naming of the chapter, but some say that the later part comes from the Chapter's Lord's name, though it is more likely it comes from their large usage of Terminators. The Chapter's leader is called a Lord, sub-commanders are Paladins or Terminator-Paladins and the NCO's are called Lieges. Also of note should be that Terminator Sergeants are called Veterans, and there are only 40 remaining. They can be identified by Heresy-era armour and the number "VII" on their right shoulder pads. Some squads also still use older armour models, for the chapter's ideals dictate that anything that still holds together should not be wasted, from whence come the connections to the adeptus mechanicus.

Their Armour was coloured pure white, but it was soon detected to be rapidly degrading, turning into muddy brown and green, with only shoulder pads and rank insignia (red applied to different parts of the armour) being left clean. This attracted Ordo Hereticus's attention, and ever since they've been under constant inspections, even having grey knights and Inquisitors with them on the battlefield.

 

As little is known about the Founding and the leader of the chapter. Adrien has been rumored to be as old as 7 millennia, his actions stretching as far as the times of the heresy. This is supported by his armour, heresy-era Terminator armour, glad in robes and litanies. He also has bells and a lantern, said to blind and deafen any traitor who looks at him. Only a single piece of weaponry identifies him on the battlefield; A large two-handed power-sword, made in the forges of the Salamanders. The chapter from which this one was founded is also unclear. The Lord has done a good job deleting certain parts of the chapter's files after a certain Inquisitioner went "missing in action" during an extremely fierce battle against the heretics. Anyhow, except for the armour's degradation, there hasn't been anything weird with the chapter's actions, and the records say "Geneseed: Ultramarine (Unconfirmed)". Some speculate and Angel basis, for their "Lieges" often wear robes and hoods, and they use extensive chivalric descriptions for their rank and insignia.

 

 

Note: the chapter master's (lord's) name is my name (Tommi Lukkarinen, I'm Finnish) converted to roman. seriously. at least according to this generator: http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/toys/namegen/4250/ I don't hope it's too corny to have the chapter named Guards Terminatus, Chapter Lord Terminus Adrien and have the chapter specialize in terminators

[CaptGarro]

Now, here are a few illustrations of Terminus Adrien:

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Nutclear/Warhammer/Marine0001.jpg

and then a chaos-y version:

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Nutclear/Warhammer/kaamos0001.jpg

 

Yeah, I'm thinking I might do a chaos army related to nurgle instead. Fluff comin' up if I get at least a single response (I wouldn't triple-post to get my thread to the front page.

[Ace Debonair]

Eh... I don't know. Something's gone wrong here.

Let me see if I can identify the problems.

 

The first part of your origins talks about how the chapter is organised and some of what they believe in, rather than their origins.

And it doesn't explain why they are organised that way or why they believe what they do.

 

It might be better to have them as third or fourth founding (kept well out of the way somehow until that time by the High Lords?) and tone down the amount of times your chapter claims to be Ultramarines. Save it for the geneseed section, yeah?

 

There's no need for anything stating records have been deleted or what-have-you. Play down the "these guys are loyalist traitors!" angle a bit, and focus more on what the chapter is, and why they are the way they are. You know, the old "We're a normal loyalist chapter, a perfectly normal loyalist chapter... ;) " approach. Then make them a bit like the Death Guard, then throw in the possibility that they are Death Guard in disguise.

 

For general advice: Use as few battles as possible, and keep all detailed descriptions of battles out of the IA. The battle itself is not important. It's the effect of the battle on the chapter that deserves the focus. ;)

 

Also, take a look at the White Hand chapter in the Librarium - as far as I'm aware they're the only loyalist-traitor-successors to make it to tose lofty heights to which we all aspire.

And maybe take a look at some of the other IA's in there, because they're all pretty damn awesome. :P

 

And to finish on the positive notes: The chapter master's name absolutely is fine by me - and the artwork you have is exceptionally cool. Good stuff! :wub:

[CaptGarro]

Thanks ace, I'll check some other DIY's out, but if I'll make a CSM army instead, the whole loyalist fluff will be diminished. I'm going to use a chaos terminator lord to be the leader, but I'll think about it...

Nurgle seems to be the best of the gods (not in power, but I like the fluff) and it would be cool to mix some pre-heresy armour with nurglish mutations and spoils. Also, designing an chaos army using mostly loyalist figures could be fun.

[CaptGarro]

GUARDS TERMINATUS

Loyalist Renegades

 

 

 

Necessitas non habet legem

-Inscribed on a legionnaires battle standard

 

Guards Terminatus, already a controversial chapter amongs the astartes, has a dark secret: Their 7th company has been declared renegade by their own battle-brothers.

 

About the chapter:

 

Guards Terminatus are thought to be a 13th founding chapter, and their geneseed is unknown. They employ extensive terminator forces along with huge numbers of foot-slogging infantry and Devastators, for they mainly commit boarding operations and other assignments where treaded vehicles cannot be used for support. On open fields, such as their Chapel Monastery's building site they use heavily armed dreadnoughts and their chapter's only two land raiders.

 

They are rumoured to worship the Omnissiah among other things, but nobody's seen anything out of order while walking on the chapter's battle barge Eisenspeer. Each of the chapter's companies distinguish themselves somehow other than just their armour's colour, and synergy is often required between companies:

 

1st company: 1st company's leader's title is Lord. 1st company contains the most terminators in the army. One of the chapter's Land Raiders is also committed to them.

 

2nd company: 2nd company usually fields the most infantry. Has 2 dreadnoughts.

 

3rd company is the fire-support company. They have numerous devastators and whirlwinds.

 

4th company holds the chapter's close combat specialists:

4 squads of Assault marines and the chapter's only 3 rhinos.

 

5th Company is similar to the second.

 

6th Company was entirely committed to on-board duties before the 7th defected.

 

7th: The chapter master's company. 7th company used to hold the second most terminators in the army. It also held the chapter's second Land Raider and two Dreadnoughts.

All in all, It was the most balanced company, able to function independly.

 

Composition of the 7th Company (currently known only as the Legion)

 

Command squad:

Chapter Master Terminus Adriel

Personal Bodyguard

Standard Bearer

Apotechary

 

Dreadnought Sullus

Dreadnought Romanus

 

Terminator Squad Alpha

Terminator Squad Beta

Terminator Squad Charlie

 

Assault Terminator Squad Zulu

 

Tactical Squads and devastator squads named after sergeants

 

Tactical Squad Castus

 

Tactical Squad Dignus

 

Tactical Squad Fabian

 

Scout Squad Genesius

 

Devastator Squad Julius

 

Devastator Squad Gratus

Many Veterans are distributed amongst the squads to keep the legionnaire's Loyalty to Adrien, not to the ruinous powers.

Chapter's monastery is currently being built on Kheeg IV, near the Eye of Terror. The monastery will have the largest chapel designated to the emperor in the system.

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Nutclear/Warhammer/spacemarine.jpg

A 7th company veteran

 

 

The master's treachery

 

While battling the nurgle's plague aboard the chapter's flagship, Eisenspeer, Terminus Adriel along with his high command were infected with the nurgle's plague, slowly transforming them to living dead. Nurgle however saw potential on Terminus, and decided to convert him to his will. Adriel's mind was strong, though, and he wouldn't give unto Nurgle, causing him to go mad. Even after that, he commanded a shipful of marines, and slowly Nurgle managed to convert them all against their old master, who had no possibility to give in.

His ship's crew was dead, however and the ship was left drifting in the space. Slowly it approached the eye of terror and it's certain doom. This was when Terminus regained control of his mind, and managed to shift the ship's course away from the eye. Slowly recovering, he was bound to his terminator armour by the nurgle's influence, and he has to use a respiratory system for the rest of his life. Now, only a few veterans of the journey are alive, and since they have been excommunicated from the emperor they gather many of the other defectors to their army.

They still consider themselves loyal, and try to avoid all battle with imperial forces if possible. They hunt down every heretic and alien they find, seeking salvation in the eyes of the emperor, something they'll never get as long as a single mutated veteran is alive.

 

Terminus's warband is very tightly organized, and his battle cry ”EVEN IN CHAOS THERE WILL BE ORDER” - a tribute to the events aboard the Eisenspeer – Is inscribed on his battle standard.

 

The army looks rugged, and since they accept so many others in their army, the entire force rarely carries the uniform colour of the Guards Terminatus.

Since they avoid contact with the enemy, they usually raid chaos outposts and bases when they need equipment, though their armour varies from pre-heresy to the newer Mark VIII armour.

 

The legion's leader, Terminus, uses a special Manreaper, which has a twin-linked bolter attached to it, so he can shoot while holding the two-handed scythe. His personal bodyguard also uses a similar weapon.

 

When not fielding terminators, the Legion employs two to three large tactical squads who advance mainly through cover and one or two devastator squads who keep the enemy's head down with a continuous hail of fire.

 

Normally when using terminators they teleport behind the enemy's lines and start chewing the enemy from the inside. Sometimes Dreadnoughts are employed in the support of the squads.

[CaptGarro]

It's great that at least Ace bothers to correct me even if I don't seem to learn from advice. I'm not sure I always understand everything, since I don't speak english natively.

Anyhow, I've altered the command structure of the Legion, from now on Generalkapitel Verdammen. Yes, I got the inspiration from here Original Rank Structures.

I admit, I've directly ripped the Templar's rank structure, and here is the splinter from the Guards:

Generalkapitel Verdammen

Hochmeister Terminus Adriel (chapter master)

 

Großgebietiger

 

Großkomtur Otto von Cronberg (first captain)

Spitler Damasus (apotechary)

Marschall Maximilian Reuss (master of recruitment, commander of the splinters)

Generalprokurator Facilis (master of the veterans and moral [chaplain])

 

The Ballei

(leaders of the terminators)

Kammerbaleien of the first

Kammerbaleien of the second

Kammerbaleien of the third

 

Kapitelmeister (leaders of the splinters)

Euronyme, leader of all the defected angels (leads all defectors from dark- and blood angels and successors)

Othmar Heidel, leader of the pure (Leads mostly everyone else who defects)

 

Now, everyone answers to Terminus. Nobody's above him, except for the emperor.

Next highest is the Generalprokurator Facilis, who is the warband's highest force against the powers of Nurgle. All but the original Guard veterans answer to him.

Marschall Maximilian is the third highest, and the Splinters (companies assembled from the defected marines) answer directly to him. Damasus is the Hochmeister's personal apotechary, who sees to the meister's needs.

The Ballei answer above all to Terminus, and they are all his close friends. They have sworn to save everyone who seeks salvation in their ranks.

Kapitelmaisters are the leaders of the different companies within the army, and they are responsible for the upkeep of their own companies. So, there are 19 veterans alive, who form the heart of the defector/splinter/warband/their own chapter (whichever you want to call them). The only outsider in the higher levels is Maximilian, who is currently the only Templar defector to date. Of course there are vehicles, command squads and dreadnoughts there, they just aren't mentioned in the command structure.

 

I think this allows me to make some great modelling, and painting, having different green, red and blue (plus white) armour and some personal heraldry, hope it doesn't get too mixed up. I'm thinking something like the bretonnian knights, they all have their own heraldry but don't appear too messy. Also, modelling some of the nurgle's spores and stuff to show corruption should be fun.

So, please tell me what you think, is the new bolter pattern stupid, too much like Kraken pattern, is "rebreather" even a word, even a simple "It's OK" would be good, though it would leave me wondering what and why something's wrong. I hope I gave enough background as to why the Guards Terminatus use so many Terminators, and fixed most of the stuff Ace told me about.

 

Oh, and here is Terminus's rebreather mask, which he has to wear all the time because of his decay at the hands of nurgle:

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Nutclear/Warhammer/Terminussrebreather.png

as always, comments would be greatly appreciated.

[ChaplainMathreyn]

So, please tell me what you think, is the new bolter pattern

 

Frankly, if you have to rely on "our stuff is shinier/newer/stranger/cooler" than their stuff, it's abit of a weak line. I mean, in a galaxy where even a laser pointer might be considered "God-like", and Artificial Intelligence is now the "Machine Spirit" that you Pray to to get to work, inventing a new item just for a Chapter is prolly going to be low on the Mechanicus' "Big List O' Important Stuff To Do" (Mentors, notwithstanding...)

[CaptGarro]

Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep changing the fluff until somebody like Ace or Grey Hunter approves of this, I've grown to think of them like veterans of some sort.

I'll remove the stuff about a different bolter pattern, but I didn't think it was that big since Blood Angels have taken a completely new engine for their tanks.

More C&C, please!

[Ace Debonair]

Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep changing the fluff until somebody like Ace or Grey Hunter approves of this, I've grown to think of them like veterans of some sort.

I'll remove the stuff about a different bolter pattern, but I didn't think it was that big since Blood Angels have taken a completely new engine for their tanks.

More C&C, please!

 

Ah, that always catches people out. The thing with that is the Blood Angels have enough political clout within the Imperium (because they're a 1st founding chapter) to be safe from any real repercussions of that sort of tech-heresy.

 

Since our chapters don't have that luxury, we generally have to keep the new toys to an absolute minimum, or for preference go without them. ^_^

 

On the other hand - if you're making a chaos force, I doubt they'd care what the AdMech thinks of them for inventing new stuff. -_-

That said, there'd have to be a good reason to mention it in the IA. It might be easier to go without it, all things considered.

 

I'm a little puzzled now, though. Which name does your chapter actually have now? Generalkapitel Verdammen or Guards Terminatus?

 

I suppose I do count as a veteran since I've been here for more than a year now. :)

Doesn't seem like that long, to be honest.

[CaptGarro]

Yeah, I've written a short story (tells about the founding of the chapter) and an army list to fit the army and I've changed the fluff a bit too. I'm sorry, I was confused myself, the name is Guards Terminatus.