Black Rage/Red Thirst and Sanguinary Guard

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I suppose as in reference to the term rude you meant I was direct in my answer.

 

So yes there is known reference to a Blood Angel turning to Chaos which was presented by none other than Mr. Swallow. Take that and five cents to see how far it will get you here in this forum.

 

In general we should ask why would any Blood Angel turn to Chaos. Most likely they would have to be very disgruntled and unhappy with their situation, whatever that might be for whatever reason. Personally if Sanguniary Guard were truly the personal bodyguard to Sanguinius I can't see any of them ever turning to Chaos and it is something that has never even been hinted as possible. Sanguinius was touched by foresight and probably knew he would die at the hands of Horus but that in his death he would enable the Emperor to slay the grand traitor. If there was anyone who Sanguinius would share this knowledge then most likely it would those closest to him. Why would any of the original Sanguinary Guard ever turn to Chaos knowing that? Sure you can speculate all you like but at the end of the day is nothing mote than that, pure speculation. We can speculate that anything is possible. Based upon what we do know there are no facts to support your theory... It is what is.

 

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[Leonaides]

Have BA's turned to Chaos? Yes. The only chapter who ahve never had a brother turn are the Grey Knights. That is printed fact in background 40 books, not Black Library stuff.

 

Do I personally see your idea being right, no. Can I point to something saying that it absolutely positively never at all in a month of blue moons no way no how not possible ever hapenning? No. Without that, you're gonna do what you want to do, so do it. But I wouldnt expect many people to agree with your ideas. For a start - it already sounds mary-sue ish...

[igotsmeakabob!!]

Does anyone know of any official background that actually cites a Blood Angel as going over to Chaos?

 

0b :)

 

I belive there was Arkio (also known as Arkio the Blessed and the Reborn Angel), who is working for chaos, until he got killed by his brother

Nope. Black Library doesn't count (unless, maybe, it's HH), especially any James Swallow abortions.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

I suppose as in reference to the term rude you meant I was direct in my answer.

 

So yes there is known reference to a Blood Angel turning to Chaos which was presented by none other than Mr. Swallow. Take that and five cents to see how far it will get you here in this forum.

 

In general we should ask why would any Blood Angel turn to Chaos. Most likely they would have to be very disgruntled and unhappy with their situation, whatever that might be for whatever reason. Personally if Sanguniary Guard were truly the personal bodyguard to Sanguinius I can't see any of them ever turning to Chaos and it is something that has never even been hinted as possible. Sanguinius was touched by foresight and probably knew he would die at the hands of Horus but that in his death he would enable the Emperor to slay the grand traitor. If there was anyone who Sanguinius would share this knowledge then most likely it would those closest to him. Why would any of the original Sanguinary Guard ever turn to Chaos knowing that? Sure you can speculate all you like but at the end of the day is nothing mote than that, pure speculation. We can speculate that anything is possible. Based upon what we do know there are no facts to support your theory... It is what is.

 

0b :D

 

First off I wasent refering to the post from Devilmixer as I know that Black Library dosent mean its GW cannon. Instead I was refering to brothers Redo, Kinzel, Requiem and more recently Leonaides who have stated respectfully that every chapter (with GK as the exception) has the possibility of turning to chaos which is the bases of my question.

 

As far as why a BA would turn to chaos I have already given the reasoning as to why the SG turned. And I'm pretty sure that having the image of your beloved primarch being murdered psychicly burned into your very genetic code qualifies as being "very disgrunteled and unhappy". Now we know based off of the primarchs that with emotional distress and clever misguidance that anyone could be turned to chaos. And beings as not one but seven primarchs turned to chaos (of the other two one was forced and the other is believed to be acting covertly) I think its very plausable that a normal marine could turn no matter how experienced or trusted he is. In that same breath goes the example of chapter masters who are the greatest leaders of mankind turning to chaos.

 

Now as for "spectulation" isnt saying that Sanguinious told his body guard nothingbut pure speculation? It is known that he told one because he wanted the SG to continue on. IF he told anyone it would have been the Emperor, and even if he had told his guard that would have only impounded the emotional stress put on them. Going into battle knowing their primarch, their beloved leader, their genetic father would die and not being able to prevent it and then the actuall agony of knowing he was dead through seeing it in a psychic back lash would be enough to push any marine to the brink of sanity and definitely make them more corruptable.

 

And since we are discussing fact I am still waiting for you to post where it says that no Blood Angel has ever turned to chaos? And the facts are that marines do turn to chaos if given the right circumstances which is what I am suggesting. What isnt liked is that it is a Blood Angel and a member of the Sanguinary Guard. But the people who put that they didnt like the idea or would like to think it wouldent happen are all (to my knowledge) Blood Angels players and so each would be against the idea that one of the greatest members of their chosen chapter would betray humanity just as every other fan of every other chapter would in the same circumstances. And each of those members who didnt like the idea also said that it was possible.

 

So to reiterate it has already been established that a marine from ANY chapter can turn to chaos if given the right incentive under the right conditions. So the facts do support my theory that a BA Sanguinary Guard could turn to chaos. Wether it is liked or not

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Except for Mr. Swallow I have never read any official canon stating a single Blood Angel has turned. I'm not suggesting either that anything written by Swallow should be considered official either. So it would seem you are suggesting that a Sanguinary Guard might turn to Chaos because they knew that Horus slayed their beloved primarch. That doesn't make any sense to me at all. In fact it would just make them opposed to Chaos even moreso. How could a Marine with the psychic imprint of the death of their primarch at the hands of the great traitor ever even consider turning to Chaos? Are there any reported cases of the Death Company turning to Chaos? The answer is no. It's just that simple really.

 

0b <_<

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Also remember that Horus offered Sanguinius to join him and turn to Chaos. Sanguinius refused and as a result died.

 

0b <_<

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

I would suggest reading what has been posted a little better and not trying to omit and twist what has been said for your own argument. I have said numerous times that in my back ground the mental and emotional stress placed on the SG pushed him close enough to the edge to where the influental coersion of a higher daemon of chaos would be enough to turn him to chaos not the simple knowledge that his primarch was going to be killed by the champion of chaos.

 

Yes there has not been any official statement of a Blood Angel turning to chaos but there has also not been a statement ruling it as impossible. And if you'll recall in my numerous posts and explinations that the death of Sanguinious was not a genetic memory for this marine as it just happened.

 

And yes Sanguinious did refuse to join Horus. But a space marine is not Sanguinious

 

Now it seems to me that all you are doing is taking what you will and twisting it around trying to gain favor for your argument. Now I not only see this as childish but also as a waste of my time because I am fairly sure that anything you would have to say would not be apart of a reasonable discussion but instead a warped tunnel vision version of past statements that are perectly clear in there meaning. As I do not wish to repeat the same points over and over I would appreciate it that if this conversation is to continue that you would take the time to read whats written completely so we can avoid these continuous run arounds. If there is anything that you need clarification on so that you dont jump to the wrong conclusions about there meanings I will be more than happy to clarify.

[Priest33]

*cough* Knights of Blood *cough*

 

Now that thats been said I think its a good idea, personaly I didnt read anything really that you posted just skimmed everything and if you want your chapter to fall to KHAOZ!! then thats cool, its your chapter dude.

[Kinzel]

Thing is that the Knights of Blood are renegade not Chaos. I believe they still think of themselves as loyalists.

hehe and saying a member of the Death Company cannot turn is like saying a Berserker cannot write poetry.

While true I think there are other reasons for it besides loyalty :whistling:

 

 

Well I've been thinking about this and if you're willing I've got some ideas you could maybe use (or not, your choice).

 

Greater Daemon on board the flagship is a Lord of Change so master of trickery and deception. Maybe instead of trying to turn your SG on the spot he just plants a seed that worms it's way around his conscience at inopportune moments.

So he fights the daemon and daemon withdraws 'wounded' with it's job done, he witnesses the psychic death of Sanguinius and leaves the ship with the remaining loyalists (how did they leave anyway? I forget.)

 

Now he is living through the first days of the aftermath of the invasion with his brothers but the seed changes things slightly. It's all about perspective.

For example where his brothers see Horus slaying Sanguinius and his noble sacrifice he sees the Emperor willingly sending his son to his death so he could have a slight advantage.

 

This taint slowly changes him. Now as a SG he is highly placed in the chapter (still a Legion at the time) to either bring some marines with him (sacrifices to grease the palms of his new masters perhaps) and / or make his escape and he's been rattling around Red Corsair style ever since with the minions of the corpse-god hot on his heels.

 

hehe just some random thoughts I had ;)

[Piousservant]

Thing is that the Knights of Blood are renegade not Chaos. I believe they still think of themselves as loyalists.

hehe and saying a member of the Death Company cannot turn is like saying a Berserker cannot write poetry.

While true I think there are other reasons for it besides loyalty :tu:

 

 

Well I've been thinking about this and if you're willing I've got some ideas you could maybe use (or not, your choice).

 

Greater Daemon on board the flagship is a Lord of Change so master of trickery and deception. Maybe instead of trying to turn your SG on the spot he just plants a seed that worms it's way around his conscience at inopportune moments.

So he fights the daemon and daemon withdraws 'wounded' with it's job done, he witnesses the psychic death of Sanguinius and leaves the ship with the remaining loyalists (how did they leave anyway? I forget.)

 

Now he is living through the first days of the aftermath of the invasion with his brothers but the seed changes things slightly. It's all about perspective.

For example where his brothers see Horus slaying Sanguinius and his noble sacrifice he sees the Emperor willingly sending his son to his death so he could have a slight advantage.

 

This taint slowly changes him. Now as a SG he is highly placed in the chapter (still a Legion at the time) to either bring some marines with him (sacrifices to grease the palms of his new masters perhaps) and / or make his escape and he's been rattling around Red Corsair style ever since with the minions of the corpse-god hot on his heels.

 

hehe just some random thoughts I had :D

 

 

The problem with that is it directly contradicts the Sanguinary Guard background which has only Azkaellon surviving the Seige of Terra (because he doesn't board Horus' ship). The idea in the OP is better as it doesn't contradict that background as the Sanguinary Guard doesn't "survive" - as far as the Imperium is concerned anyway.

 

And, really, some people could do with being a little less one-dimensional in their mindset. The background allows for marines of any chapter (with the exception of the Grey Knights) to be corrupted by Chaos. Knowingly or unknowingly. Such is the nature of Chaos.

 

Jarl, I really like the idea and I think it would make for a cool army. Lots of modelling possibilities and the imagery of "fallen angels" is very cool.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It's just unplausible, that's all I'm saying.

 

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[Kinzel]

It's just unplausible, that's all I'm saying.

 

0b :D

Yeah look I can agree with that. The problem I have with diy's (mine included) is if your scope is too big and you have to sit there explaining why this unit does this or that or you have to wordsmith your way around why your harlequins are best buddies with daemonettes it can leave a bad taste in your mouth.

The whole shared reality and all that.

 

Personally I have no problem accepting what anyones imagination can dream up, if I don't like it it's imperial propaganda or the like.

 

With my army if it's with a stranger or someone I don't need to tell then they are marines. done.

But with someone I feel like I can trust my fluff with (lol) I have a backstory and reason for each of my unit choices that doesn't fully mesh with curent 40k (Alt-heresy ftw :woot:)

To each his own I suppose.

[Piousservant]

It's just unplausible, that's all I'm saying.

 

0b :D

 

You mean implausible btw. But, no it isn't. Space marines can be corrupted by Chaos. There are numerous examples of groups of marines, even entire Chapters turning renegade and falling to chaos. Heck, half the Primarchs were turned. There is nothing in the background that makes a Blood Angel falling to Chaos any more implausible than any other marine falling.

[Blindhamster]

Now, I'm a huge Blood Angel fan, I've played them since I was 9 making that 13 years of Blood Angels for me, they're my favourite chapter and always will be...

 

with that out of the way, Jarl, additional backing for your idea here :D

 

Characters to turn to chaos that are recorded:

 

Captain Leonatos (undevided), brother Palamon (nurgle) and Scout Proteus (slanesh) in the Blood Quest series, they were always considered cannon in the past, hell we even had official rules with the book allowing Leonatos to be used in official tournaments ;)

 

A flesh tearer in the astral claws in the short novel 'the skull harvest' from Heroes of the Imperium

 

The Blood Knights (entire chapter)

 

and for those that choose to believe it there are swallows books which have hundreds of blood angels turn to chaos, even if unwittingly (I liked the last two books, not so much the first two)

 

 

 

Now... my personal oppinion, I don't like the idea of one of the sanguinary guard turning myself, they've been created as epitomising the good of the blood angels, they don't even have the red thirst rule which to me is implying to a great extent they've managed to fully control themselves. However, your idea for HOW one could turn is quite interesting, I'd say though, don't have him looking like a chaos lord, make him as a proper sanguinary guard, but paint his wings black, possibly stain his armour red in places implying blood has been spilt and not cleaned.

 

 

-Blindhamster

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Wow, I forgot all about Bloodquest. Good catch there Hamster. Been awhile since I read that one. Seeing that Leman Russ was reported as leaving his armor at a temple of Khorne I suppose anything is possible.

 

0b :D

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

Thing is that the Knights of Blood are renegade not Chaos. I believe they still think of themselves as loyalists.

hehe and saying a member of the Death Company cannot turn is like saying a Berserker cannot write poetry.

While true I think there are other reasons for it besides loyalty :P

 

 

Well I've been thinking about this and if you're willing I've got some ideas you could maybe use (or not, your choice).

 

Greater Daemon on board the flagship is a Lord of Change so master of trickery and deception. Maybe instead of trying to turn your SG on the spot he just plants a seed that worms it's way around his conscience at inopportune moments.

So he fights the daemon and daemon withdraws 'wounded' with it's job done, he witnesses the psychic death of Sanguinius and leaves the ship with the remaining loyalists (how did they leave anyway? I forget.)

 

Now he is living through the first days of the aftermath of the invasion with his brothers but the seed changes things slightly. It's all about perspective.

For example where his brothers see Horus slaying Sanguinius and his noble sacrifice he sees the Emperor willingly sending his son to his death so he could have a slight advantage.

 

This taint slowly changes him. Now as a SG he is highly placed in the chapter (still a Legion at the time) to either bring some marines with him (sacrifices to grease the palms of his new masters perhaps) and / or make his escape and he's been rattling around Red Corsair style ever since with the minions of the corpse-god hot on his heels.

 

hehe just some random thoughts I had ;)

 

Thank you for the ideas and I actually had tossed around the idea of it being a greater daemon of Tzeentch that corrupts him as to me they are the most clever but at the same time I think that the GDoT would try to convert him to Tzeentch and not just chaos in general and I want him to be chaos undivided due to his love for Sanguinious.

 

And Piousservant is correct, in the fluff it states that all of the honour guard who acompanied Sanguinious onto Horus' flagship were killed and so one couldent have left the ship returning with the survivors to be corrupted later. That is why in my fluff he simply dissapeared and was believed to be killed along with his brother, but cheers for the ideas though ;)

 

Thing is that the Knights of Blood are renegade not Chaos. I believe they still think of themselves as loyalists.

hehe and saying a member of the Death Company cannot turn is like saying a Berserker cannot write poetry.

While true I think there are other reasons for it besides loyalty :P

 

 

Well I've been thinking about this and if you're willing I've got some ideas you could maybe use (or not, your choice).

 

Greater Daemon on board the flagship is a Lord of Change so master of trickery and deception. Maybe instead of trying to turn your SG on the spot he just plants a seed that worms it's way around his conscience at inopportune moments.

So he fights the daemon and daemon withdraws 'wounded' with it's job done, he witnesses the psychic death of Sanguinius and leaves the ship with the remaining loyalists (how did they leave anyway? I forget.)

 

Now he is living through the first days of the aftermath of the invasion with his brothers but the seed changes things slightly. It's all about perspective.

For example where his brothers see Horus slaying Sanguinius and his noble sacrifice he sees the Emperor willingly sending his son to his death so he could have a slight advantage.

 

This taint slowly changes him. Now as a SG he is highly placed in the chapter (still a Legion at the time) to either bring some marines with him (sacrifices to grease the palms of his new masters perhaps) and / or make his escape and he's been rattling around Red Corsair style ever since with the minions of the corpse-god hot on his heels.

 

hehe just some random thoughts I had ;)

 

 

And, really, some people could do with being a little less one-dimensional in their mindset. The background allows for marines of any chapter (with the exception of the Grey Knights) to be corrupted by Chaos. Knowingly or unknowingly. Such is the nature of Chaos.

 

Jarl, I really like the idea and I think it would make for a cool army. Lots of modelling possibilities and the imagery of "fallen angels" is very cool.

 

A little less one-mindedness would be a great thing but almost everyone who has replied to this post has done so respectfully wether they agree with it or not and to everyone who falls under that catigory I thank you. As for modeling I couldent agree more, I have Abigor (finally named the fallen SG) already planned out in my head. I will use the DA veteran running legs, the possessed marine wings and chest plate with the daemon face, the head of the WHFB juggernaut lord (the one with the horns) assault marine arms, his sword will be the champions sword from the WHFB chaos knights and he will also have the sheild with the screaming souls on it from the same sprue (it will represent his 5+ invulnerable save) and lastly he will have a green stuff tail.

 

 

It's just unplausible, that's all I'm saying.

 

0b :D

 

You mean implausible btw. But, no it isn't. Space marines can be corrupted by Chaos. There are numerous examples of groups of marines, even entire Chapters turning renegade and falling to chaos. Heck, half the Primarchs were turned. There is nothing in the background that makes a Blood Angel falling to Chaos any more implausible than any other marine falling.

 

Exactly and thank you

[Israfel]

Well we have the blood swords (a successor chapter) declared renegade by the big I. Actually, this does not mean that they have turned to Chaos at all. In the I's eyes innosence proves nothing so good luck pleading your case.

 

As for a specific reference for a BA turning to chaos there was a BA scout in the Bloodquest story that turned to Slaanesh. The other incidents in Bloodquest consisted of marines being possessed, not giving themselves willingy to Chaos. Apart from this, I do not remember encountering anything mentioning a BA turning to Chaos (I ofcourse disregard Mr. Swallow's horrible work)

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Yeah its few and very far between. Not like widespread accounts like what happened to the Wolf Brothers.

 

0b ;)

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Yeah its few and very far between. Not like widespread accounts like what happened to the Wolf Brothers.

 

0b

And where does it say that they fell to Chaos? Oh wait. It doesn't. Widespread mutation of the Canis Helix devolving them into ravenous werewolf like beings known as Wulfen (sound familiar anyone)? check. Praying to khorne or one of the other chaos gods? nope. Really,the only canon instance of the Space wolves in specific falling to chaos is on that one ship.. So if we go by purely printed canon...Its happened in more instances to Blood Angels then it has to Space wolves.

Am I blind enough to think that any time one of their chapter fell to Chaos it was well documented in Canon? no,that honor lies elsewhere in this conversation.

 

I was unaware of the story involving only one survivor from the ship,so yes it would make sense to have him disappear into the warp rather then return. But perhaps he fled the ship trying to get the voice in his head (the daemon of change) to stop. Maybe as the only surviving Blood Angels near where the Primarch died drove him crazier then an outhouse rat. That is of course,assuming that Sanguinus died on the Ship,which is what I believe has been said...feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about that. So assuming that was the case,and that Jarl's specific Sanguinary Guard had been sent to say,sabotage the Engines.

 

Every Blood Angel goes on and on about how their Primarch dying was such a Horrible event that it imprinted itself upon their Genetic code. So how much more horrible and psyche-shattering would it have been to be within a mile or two of it happening. Maybe the SG went totally bat :D nuts for a time,all the while,the Daemon guiding him back to something resembling Sanity (we are talking about a Chaos Lord now so a semblance of coherent thought is about all we need) all the while insinuating the concept that it was the Emperor that caused the death of Sanguinus by Sacrificing him for his own selfish gain.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Maybe the traitor SG did just to spite the rest. That would be as good an explanation as any.

 

There is some speculation SW are more prone to turning over to Chaos because of Leman Russ' disappearance, Wolf Brothers & 13th Company. They don't come right out and say it but it could well be implied.

 

G

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

Now, I'm a huge Blood Angel fan, I've played them since I was 9 making that 13 years of Blood Angels for me, they're my favourite chapter and always will be...

 

with that out of the way, Jarl, additional backing for your idea here :)

 

Characters to turn to chaos that are recorded:

 

Captain Leonatos (undevided), brother Palamon (nurgle) and Scout Proteus (slanesh) in the Blood Quest series, they were always considered cannon in the past, hell we even had official rules with the book allowing Leonatos to be used in official tournaments :)

 

A flesh tearer in the astral claws in the short novel 'the skull harvest' from Heroes of the Imperium

 

The Blood Knights (entire chapter)

 

and for those that choose to believe it there are swallows books which have hundreds of blood angels turn to chaos, even if unwittingly (I liked the last two books, not so much the first two)

 

 

 

Now... my personal oppinion, I don't like the idea of one of the sanguinary guard turning myself, they've been created as epitomising the good of the blood angels, they don't even have the red thirst rule which to me is implying to a great extent they've managed to fully control themselves. However, your idea for HOW one could turn is quite interesting, I'd say though, don't have him looking like a chaos lord, make him as a proper sanguinary guard, but paint his wings black, possibly stain his armour red in places implying blood has been spilt and not cleaned.

 

 

-Blindhamster

 

Hmmmm well I actually had a model already planned out but I actually like your idea. Of course I couldent use all SG bits and would have to add a few of my own twists but thank you for the suggestion I like it and it will save me a good deal of money.

 

Yeah its few and very far between. Not like widespread accounts like what happened to the Wolf Brothers.

 

0b :D

 

As far as I'm concerned you no longer have any grounds in this thread and while I cant prevent you from responding I would appreciate it if you limited your responses to something that will actually be benificial to the discussion.

 

Yeah its few and very far between. Not like widespread accounts like what happened to the Wolf Brothers.

 

0b ;)

And where does it say that they fell to Chaos? Oh wait. It doesn't. Widespread mutation of the Canis Helix devolving them into ravenous werewolf like beings known as Wulfen (sound familiar anyone)? check. Praying to khorne or one of the other chaos gods? nope. Really,the only canon instance of the Space wolves in specific falling to chaos is on that one ship.. So if we go by purely printed canon...Its happened in more instances to Blood Angels then it has to Space wolves.

Am I blind enough to think that any time one of their chapter fell to Chaos it was well documented in Canon? no,that honor lies elsewhere in this conversation.

 

I was unaware of the story involving only one survivor from the ship,so yes it would make sense to have him disappear into the warp rather then return. But perhaps he fled the ship trying to get the voice in his head (the daemon of change) to stop. Maybe as the only surviving Blood Angels near where the Primarch died drove him crazier then an outhouse rat. That is of course,assuming that Sanguinus died on the Ship,which is what I believe has been said...feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about that. So assuming that was the case,and that Jarl's specific Sanguinary Guard had been sent to say,sabotage the Engines.

 

Every Blood Angel goes on and on about how their Primarch dying was such a Horrible event that it imprinted itself upon their Genetic code. So how much more horrible and psyche-shattering would it have been to be within a mile or two of it happening. Maybe the SG went totally bat :whistling: nuts for a time,all the while,the Daemon guiding him back to something resembling Sanity (we are talking about a Chaos Lord now so a semblance of coherent thought is about all we need) all the while insinuating the concept that it was the Emperor that caused the death of Sanguinus by Sacrificing him for his own selfish gain.

 

The whole daemon puts the idea of Sanguinious' death being the Emperors fault is exactly were I'm going but it isnt based off the Emperor being selfish I'm taking the road about the Emperor having been weak. That he wasent strong enough to prevent the heresy in the first place, that if he had listened to Magnus then Sanguinious would never have been killed and all that jazz.

 

I think I'll mull over the idea of him turning gradually, im not 100% on it but I'll toss it around. Thank you for the suggestion

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

You may not like my input but I have as much of a right as you to post in this thread.

 

0b :)

[SnorriSnorrison]

I mostly agree with Black Orange here. Jarl, you should think about who the members of the Sanguinary Guard are: the most formidable force in the entire chapter, and during the HH and before, the whole Legion. Those are warriors that have been elected to be direct bodyguards of Sanguinius himself, the Primarch who was said to be the purest and most noble of all.

Of course, every marine has a chance of falling to Chaos, except from Grey Knights. But are Sanguinary Guard really "normal" marines? They are described as gods among the Blood Angels, with unmatched purity of both body and mind, incredible weapon skill(ok, not really in game, but you know what I mean), and being proud servants of the Emperor and Sanguinius. Among the entire Chapter of the Blood Angels, there are no warriors such as the Sanguinary Guard, they are so elitist that they are clad in the most effective armour and armed with the ritual weapons given to them by their father.

So, why should one of these warriors fall to Chaos? Just a reason, that´s all I am asking for.

 

And while your story sound nice, I agree with Kinzel that your fluff loses a lot of its flair when you´ll have to explain every single event and why someone did what and where.

 

Eventually, it is your army, your models and your fluff. Do whatever you want.

 

 

Snorri

 

PS: I hope my post was not sounding rudely, or "directly".

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

I mostly agree with Black Orange here. Jarl, you should think about who the members of the Sanguinary Guard are: the most formidable force in the entire chapter, and during the HH and before, the whole Legion. Those are warriors that have been elected to be direct bodyguards of Sanguinius himself, the Primarch who was said to be the purest and most noble of all.

Of course, every marine has a chance of falling to Chaos, except from Grey Knights. But are Sanguinary Guard really "normal" marines? They are described as gods among the Blood Angels, with unmatched purity of both body and mind, incredible weapon skill(ok, not really in game, but you know what I mean), and being proud servants of the Emperor and Sanguinius. Among the entire Chapter of the Blood Angels, there are no warriors such as the Sanguinary Guard, they are so elitist that they are clad in the most effective armour and armed with the ritual weapons given to them by their father.

So, why should one of these warriors fall to Chaos? Just a reason, that´s all I am asking for.

 

And while your story sound nice, I agree with Kinzel that your fluff loses a lot of its flair when you´ll have to explain every single event and why someone did what and where.

 

Eventually, it is your army, your models and your fluff. Do whatever you want.

 

 

Snorri

 

PS: I hope my post was not sounding rudely, or "directly".

 

Well in my actual IA hopefully my fluff will be more rounded in its presentation. This was more the general idea behind the fluff, in my final IA it will be simpler. Here I had to explain every part of it because I was defending my position, for those who thought that it was a good idea or supported it I didnt need to explain as much. So it will be better presented in my actual IA.

 

As far as being rude or direct I have no problem with people being direct as I myself am told that I am too direct in my posts. But Black Orange was being rude plain and simple and as he continually tries to bash Space Wolves since it has been proven that Blood Angels have actually turned to chaos. Thank you for your input though.

[Leonaides]

Well, if you're going to base your DIY chapter off the BA's I reallly hope you're going to take the time to do some proper reserch, not just going on the often wrong messages on the interweb... You still havent come up with what (to me) seems like a justifiable reason for an 'unknown' survivor to exist, and to fall to chaos because of the death of Sanguinius. Have you actually read how the Black Rage took time to appear after Sang died - there was no massive psychic shockwave that hit every BA. Not until/unless they get to writing the last HH book where the fight happens. And every loyalist that teleported onto that ship was after 1 thing and 1 thing only - Horus on the command deck - so no mysterious sabotage mission to the enginarium for your survivor. It was either Horus dead/Imperium wins, or the Emperor, Dorn, Sang and every loyaist dead and Chaos winning. No point in blowing up the enemy ship if you've just lost the Emperor after all.