20 Nob Bikers

[foster]

Whats the best way to deal with 20 Nob Bikers with a ton of Power Claws and Combi-Flamers? I've heard that 10 Terminators with PF/TH can deal with a 10 Nob Biker squad, usually killing themselves in the process. I also don't have enough Terminators to form 2x10 man units to take on 20 Nob Bikers, so what other ways can be used to deal with the problem?

[Godhead]

Jaws of the world wolf.....Oh wait.. wrong army ; )

[SamaNagol]

Fast Vindicators > Power Klaws

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Big jump pack DC with lots of power fists backed up by Vindis.

 

0b :P

[Burningblood]

Chaplain or reclusiarch in terminator armour-

x10 assault terminators, x5 power claws, x5 th/ss

Sanguinary priest with plasma pistol and powersword

VIndis as support/ steping stone (put them in the way of your termies)

Get the charge.

[Morticon]

Mephiston and a Talon dread.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Mephiston and a Talon dread.

Gotta agree with Morticon on this one. One or Two Furioso Dreads with Blood Talons will make mincemeat of those Nobs. Mephy actually wouldn't do that much good. It would be nice to send him after the warboss if there was one attached,otherwise I would keep him out of a meat grinder like that. Oh who am I kidding...I love hearing about Mephiston getting chewed to bits...Send him in solo...Preferably with one hand tied behind his back...he is a badass he can take it *shifty look*

[Demoulius]

ignore them or sacrifice a small part of your army and steamroll the rest of his army....20 nob bikers are VERY expensive unit, the rest of his army will suffer no doubt. oh yea nad i agree on the vindi. all your probablems (most of it anyway) can be solved in 1 shot :D

[Requiem of the Wolf]

ignore them or sacrifice a small part of your army and steamroll the rest of his army....20 nob bikers are VERY expensive unit, the rest of his army will suffer no doubt. oh yea nad i agree on the vindi. all your probablems (most of it anyway) can be solved in 1 shot :D

I just...its supposed to be the best freaking sniper rifle in the world...it should wound more easily. Or the special ammo should have a 2+ wound on it,that would make it a bit less of a chance thing to field it rather then one of the other assassins.

[Roland Durendal]

I think he was referring to the VindiCATOR not the assassin VindiCARE :D

 

Anyway, DC Dreads with Blood Talons. Just keep those wounds a coming and he'll fall

[Requiem of the Wolf]

I think he was referring to the VindiCATOR not the assassin VindiCARE :P

 

Anyway, DC Dreads with Blood Talons. Just keep those wounds a coming and he'll fall

Pfftt...In all the times i have fielded either,the vindicare has done way more then the Vindicator...Even hiding it between two Land raiders and getting it a 4+ cover save, it still ends up a smoking scrap heap by the end of turn 2 every game.

[Demoulius]

I think he was referring to the VindiCATOR not the assassin VindiCARE :yes:

 

Anyway, DC Dreads with Blood Talons. Just keep those wounds a coming and he'll fall

Pfftt...In all the times i have fielded either,the vindicare has done way more then the Vindicator...Even hiding it between two Land raiders and getting it a 4+ cover save, it still ends up a smoking scrap heap by the end of turn 2 every game.

really? mine has survived meltashots from the rear, railguns and such whilst at other times beeing blown up by a grot sneezing at it :P just luck of the dice i guess brother. its a good psychological weapon though if they focus on it that much ^_^

[Knyx]

Whats the best way to deal with 20 Nob Bikers with a ton of Power Claws and Combi-Flamers? I've heard that 10 Terminators with PF/TH can deal with a 10 Nob Biker squad, usually killing themselves in the process. I also don't have enough Terminators to form 2x10 man units to take on 20 Nob Bikers, so what other ways can be used to deal with the problem?

 

 

 

Kill one or two, and Fear the Darkness.

 

After that, its just a matter of Designating which Rhino gets to chase them off the table.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Whats the best way to deal with 20 Nob Bikers with a ton of Power Claws and Combi-Flamers? I've heard that 10 Terminators with PF/TH can deal with a 10 Nob Biker squad, usually killing themselves in the process. I also don't have enough Terminators to form 2x10 man units to take on 20 Nob Bikers, so what other ways can be used to deal with the problem?

 

 

 

Kill one or two, and Fear the Darkness.

 

After that, its just a matter of Designating which Rhino gets to chase them off the table.

Don't orks get to take their Leadership from the number of models they have in the group? I seem to remember that Leadership tests for orks are very close to impossible to pull off.

[Wildfire]

S8+ weapons. Just remember, do all your S8+ shooting FIRST, before you move on to light arms. This ensures he won't be taking a bunch of ID wounds on models that have only one left.

[Knyx]

Whats the best way to deal with 20 Nob Bikers with a ton of Power Claws and Combi-Flamers? I've heard that 10 Terminators with PF/TH can deal with a 10 Nob Biker squad, usually killing themselves in the process. I also don't have enough Terminators to form 2x10 man units to take on 20 Nob Bikers, so what other ways can be used to deal with the problem?

 

 

 

Kill one or two, and Fear the Darkness.

 

After that, its just a matter of Designating which Rhino gets to chase them off the table.

Don't orks get to take their Leadership from the number of models they have in the group? I seem to remember that Leadership tests for orks are very close to impossible to pull off.

 

 

Right, but you can't take 20 nob bikers. You can take two squads of 10. Generally, one of those squads will number 11 with a Warboss tagging along. So you need to kill one to make them not fearless.

 

The other, is already not fearless.

 

Either way, you sink a few lascannons/meltas into the squad and then throw a Fear its way, and it turns around and bolts for the edge.

 

 

7-8 Orks left is what you shoot for, because he'd have to roll a 5 or 6 on two dice.

 

Thats the most efficient way, without outright tailoring a whole list. Almost everyone brings Libbys these days.

 

If you were gonna tailor the whole list, bring Libbys, Libby Dreads and Vindicators. Anything the vindicators Don't outright kill, will run when hit by fear spam.

[Priest33]

Furioso dreads with a heavy flamer, even one will be able to kill enough to force a win.

[Crynn]

Mephiston and a Talon dread.

Gotta agree with Morticon on this one. One or Two Furioso Dreads with Blood Talons will make mincemeat of those Nobs. Mephy actually wouldn't do that much good. It would be nice to send him after the warboss if there was one attached,otherwise I would keep him out of a meat grinder like that. Oh who am I kidding...I love hearing about Mephiston getting chewed to bits...Send him in solo...Preferably with one hand tied behind his back...he is a badass he can take it *shifty look*

 

Mephy wouldnt do that much? Hmm SW players are funny

Lets see, each nob totals up 80 points with claw bike and combi and lets see how meph goes.

hmmmm sanguine sword + unleash rage = 5 dead! so he kills 400 points in a single round certainly sounds like not much to me, thats the same as jaws if somehow you managed to hit every nob biker in a nice perfect line. haha

 

Talon dread, presuming the nobs have a wahhh banner which is normal the standard is better than the DC as it still hits on three's. Lets say theres a sang priest near by for FC and that somehow the dread manages to charge the nob bikers, lol. 4 attacks = 2.666 hits which is pretty much 2.5 wounds. Next 2.5 x .666 = 1.666 which is another 1.5 wounds then 1.5 x .66 = 1 wound then 1 wound = another .666 of a wound which is then another .444 of a wound, and by the way the mean of the dreads attacks wont actually kill as many as this example suggests but for arguements sake you end up with this. 6 wounds to dread killing 3, Meph kills 5.

 

So yes dread is amazingly effective and Meph is somewhat not, awesome post, I'll be sure to ignore you more often. Sorry mind the sarcasm.

[Exterminatus Machine]

I think he was referring to the VindiCATOR not the assassin VindiCARE ^_^

 

Anyway, DC Dreads with Blood Talons. Just keep those wounds a coming and he'll fall

Pfftt...In all the times i have fielded either,the vindicare has done way more then the Vindicator...Even hiding it between two Land raiders and getting it a 4+ cover save, it still ends up a smoking scrap heap by the end of turn 2 every game.

 

 

It's one of the biggest targets in the game...

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Mephiston and a Talon dread.

Gotta agree with Morticon on this one. One or Two Furioso Dreads with Blood Talons will make mincemeat of those Nobs. Mephy actually wouldn't do that much good. It would be nice to send him after the warboss if there was one attached,otherwise I would keep him out of a meat grinder like that. Oh who am I kidding...I love hearing about Mephiston getting chewed to bits...Send him in solo...Preferably with one hand tied behind his back...he is a badass he can take it *shifty look*

 

Mephy wouldnt do that much? Hmm SW players are funny

Lets see, each nob totals up 80 points with claw bike and combi and lets see how meph goes.

hmmmm sanguine sword + unleash rage = 5 dead! so he kills 400 points in a single round certainly sounds like not much to me, thats the same as jaws if somehow you managed to hit every nob biker in a nice perfect line. haha

 

Talon dread, presuming the nobs have a wahhh banner which is normal the standard is better than the DC as it still hits on three's. Lets say theres a sang priest near by for FC and that somehow the dread manages to charge the nob bikers, lol. 4 attacks = 2.666 hits which is pretty much 2.5 wounds. Next 2.5 x .666 = 1.666 which is another 1.5 wounds then 1.5 x .66 = 1 wound then 1 wound = another .666 of a wound which is then another .444 of a wound, and by the way the mean of the dreads attacks wont actually kill as many as this example suggests but for arguements sake you end up with this. 6 wounds to dread killing 3, Meph kills 5.

 

So yes dread is amazingly effective and Meph is somewhat not, awesome post, I'll be sure to ignore you more often. Sorry mind the sarcasm.

And Mephiston dies in the counter attack,while the Dread more then likely doesn't and continues killing the nobs the next round. So yeah...losing a 250+ point character to kill 5 nobs,or using a Dread to kill all of them. So yeah...by all means throw away those points instead of playing smart. Great idea. And I have yet to see a Talon Dread perform as poorly as you are suggesting. Now if wasting those points seems like a good idea to you...by all means...go for it.

[Demoulius]

keep the topic civil guys ^_^

 

just how upgraded are these nobs btw? they can get FNP a 5+ invunerable save etc....would be informative to know what they got.

 

nobs arent the worst unit in his codex but they are one of his more expensive ones, if hes taken two then his army will suffer for it. what kind of point costs are you playing at btw? or did you mention it already and did i miss it?

[Requiem of the Wolf]

keep the topic civil guys :lol:

 

just how upgraded are these nobs btw? they can get FNP a 5+ invunerable save etc....would be informative to know what they got.

 

nobs arent the worst unit in his codex but they are one of his more expensive ones, if hes taken two then his army will suffer for it. what kind of point costs are you playing at btw? or did you mention it already and did i miss it?

I was,and still am,keeping it Civil. I have no need to descend to the mud slinging level,even if I would be better at it due to greater experience. And as I said before,I love seeing Mephiston getting chewed to peices,by all means send him in.

 

As for how upgraded they are,it wasn't mentioned. Though the mobile 4+ cover save they all get would tend to indicate that you would want something that could handle HTH with them. The PowerKlaws make it likely that you need something a bit more durable then someone without a invulnerable save,or a good amount of armor value.

[Whitefireinferno]

9 DC with 9 power weapons and a Chappie or Res would do them over good too

[vahouth]

As for how upgraded they are,it wasn't mentioned. Though the mobile 4+ cover save they all get would tend to indicate that you would want something that could handle HTH with them. The PowerKlaws make it likely that you need something a bit more durable then someone without a invulnerable save,or a good amount of armor value.

 

If I'm not mistaken, (please correct me on this one) Ordinance Blasts work out hits from the center of the Blast Marker thus

negating cover save for the Nobs, so their numbers can be thinned before switching th HtH.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

As for how upgraded they are,it wasn't mentioned. Though the mobile 4+ cover save they all get would tend to indicate that you would want something that could handle HTH with them. The PowerKlaws make it likely that you need something a bit more durable then someone without a invulnerable save,or a good amount of armor value.

 

If I'm not mistaken, (please correct me on this one) Ordinance Blasts work out hits from the center of the Blast Marker thus

negating cover save for the Nobs, so their numbers can be thinned before switching th HtH.

Ordanance does in fact work that way,so you would be fine using a Vindicator or Whirlwind. Depending on setup the short range of the Vindicator might be problematic,but its insta-kill ability would be perfect.