Firedrake28 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 If all you want to do is slaughter things, take Lemartes and be sure that he gets wounded once so that he can hulk out. That guy is insane on the charge (7 Attacks!) with rerolls to hit and to wound. A lot of the time you don't end up needing the rest of the squad since Lemartes kills everything he touches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2436857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Legionnare Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 As a quick one up for the Reclusiarch. He too allows a charging DC to re-roll hits and wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaae Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 As a quick one up for the Reclusiarch. He too allows a charging DC to re-roll hits and wounds. Yes, but he doesn't benefit from the re-rolls to wound, unlike Lemartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 You know I was gonna be a rules lawyer.... so I went to read the ruling on Litanies Of Blood. "Models in a Death Company" is really ambiguous.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaae Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 You know I was gonna be a rules lawyer.... so I went to read the ruling on Litanies Of Blood. "Models in a Death Company" is really ambiguous.... Uh, no. It's not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 It doesn't say 'Death Company models', or 'models in THE Death Company'. What would happen if you attached an IC to a DC unit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaae Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 It doesn't say 'Death Company models', or 'models in THE Death Company'. What would happen if you attached an IC to a DC unit? You'd have an IC attached to a DC squad. I can't imagine anyone that would let that fly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 It's pretty ambiguous wording. 'Models subject to the Black Rage rule' would have been nice and water tight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakobus Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I personally believe that Lemmy should be considered a Death Company modle for the purposes for the rule since he is being purchased as a part of the DC FOC slot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I don't think anyone is arguing that Lemartes is indeed part of the DC, but what happens to an independent character (Dante, for example) if he joins the DC. The wording in the codex is ambiguous, has anyone seen an FAQ or errata clearing this up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakobus Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I don't think anyone is arguing that Lemartes is indeed part of the DC, but what happens to an independent character (Dante, for example) if he joins the DC. The wording in the codex is ambiguous, has anyone seen an FAQ or errata clearing this up? I fail to see the ambiguity, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place "..Death Company models.." or "Lemartes and his Death Company.." Straight up and down, DC can reroll hits and wounds, if an IC joins them he can reroll hits. Dante joins Lemartes and his Death Company, Dante has not become Death Company. I wouldn't expect an official FAQ anytime soon since the bugs don't have their offical Errata out yet, even then I think that is clear cut enough that it won't be in it when it comes out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 It doesn't say any of those things. It says 'Models in a Death Company'... which is ambiguous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Legionnare Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 My take on that rule was that "Models in a Death Company" meant, models in a Death Company, ie, from the army list entry. So it would apply only to the DC for re-roll wounds if the Reclusiarch were to join a DC. Since Lemartes is technically a squad upgrade, he's part of the unit and would receive the re-roll wounds as well. This is redundant because he allows them to re-roll hits and wounds, but I was using it as an example. If Dante joins a DC unit, he's still Dante. He's a completely separate Army list entry, therefore not a "Model in a Death Company." He's "Dante" an HQ choice. I've gone with it only applying to DC for the wounds. The fluff says "their rage makes them particularly susceptible to the Chaplain's fiery oratory." So from a fluff standpoint I would assume it also means that only the DC get the wound, because they're the only ones raging up the field, Dante could travel with him, but he's not raging like a lunatic over Sanguinius getting murdered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2437880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakobus Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Ahh, sorry I see where it is now. But I still don't believe that that wording is ambiguous enough, its referencing the Death company an IC does not become Death Company because they join the unit. Could the have been clearer? Definately, they could have said "If the modle has the Rage USR they also reroll wounds". I guess when I read the Litergies of Blood rule it was then clarified under Lemerates and Astoraths restating of the same rule, I would have thought that if their version of LoB was different the rule would be under a different name or it would have been a note in the rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203881-lemartes-over-normal-chaplain/page/3/#findComment-2438403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.