increaso Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 This is probably old now, but when was it said that either Leman Russ or the Space Wolf legion were engineered to take down other Primarchs/Legions? I vaguelly recall Dan Abnett saying it in an interview but it might have been a tidbit in a novel? Or did i make it up? Thanks in advance! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Dabnett said it in an interview, in reference to the A Thousand Sons/Prospero Burns books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viFLhyJXqNQ Here you go. For the Sixth Legion! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
increaso Posted June 18, 2010 Author Share Posted June 18, 2010 Thanks. Thought so. Does anyone have a link? All the youtube searches i do show september 09 as the most recent Dan Abnett interview but i'm sure it was more recent than that. Edit: simultaneous post - thanks for the link Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Pretty good at it to, they destroyed a legion within 24 hours. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badaboom Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Well, the Thousand Sons (most of them) survived, but their homeworld was destroyed and their Primarch crippled and almost killed. Still, not bad: Wolfs-1 Thousand Nerds-0 PS: note that Magnus and his boys are one of my favourite legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Don't forget that Magnus withdrew the entire TS fleet and stood down the orbital defences. Plus the wolves were lead by their Primarch and had help from the custodes and sisters of silence. Having said that i still think the SW would have been ultimately victorious even against the TS fleet and entire legion but they would have been crippled as a legion. If Magnus had of lead his sons from the start. I think things could have turned out very differently. Magnus could have delayed the SW fleet in the warp or tried to destroy in entirely. Russ' own powers that were revealed in the TS novel could possibly have blunted Mangus' any way. Who can say? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 It's sad, if you think about it, Magnus was the worst primarch, what other Primarch killed his own men (Ulthizarr) just so he could watch his legion, homeworld, all his legions achievments ground to dust so he can ave a pity party... And Iplay Thousand Sons. But, yep, The wolves certainly had the balance and abilitys to be an anti legion legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
increaso Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Do you think Abnett is specifically talking about the Prospero events when he refers to Space Wolves or do you think that he actually means that the Space Wolves exist to take out any wayward legion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 No, I don't think that is the case. What Dan is forgetting, and I don't want to disappoint any Space Wolves fans here, is that the Space Wolves are not the most savage, brutal and untamed of the Legions. There is another Legion, one without the nobility and honour that is often attributed to the Space Wolves. I think he just wanted to make them sound super badass for the promo. (And they are, of course, just not in the way he is alleging.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 No, I don't think that is the case. What Dan is forgetting, and I don't want to disappoint any Space Wolves fans here, is that the Space Wolves are not the most savage, brutal and untamed of the Legions. There is another Legion, one without the nobility and honour that is often attributed to the Space Wolves.I think he just wanted to make them sound super badass for the promo. (And they are, of course, just not in the way he is alleging.) No, but they're pretty far out there. The Wolves live for combat (They actually enjoy pitting themselves against the foes, other Legions do but not all) and I have heard it said (though not seen the original source itself) that the Wolves were one of the smallest Legions, yet they managed to rout a Legion of deadly sorcerors and make the planet burn. Not insignificant if you ask me. It would be awesome if the Emperor did have the Wolves as Legion killers in mind, therefore I'm going to hold onto this statement, even if it isn't true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Glory to the Sixth! Hail the All Father! Yeah, the Wolves managed to entirely cripple the TS, and leave them with that silly Flesh Change thing to keep them busy while we did some real work :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 It's sad, if you think about it, Magnus was the worst primarch, what other Primarch killed his own men (Ulthizarr) just so he could watch his legion, homeworld, all his legions achievments ground to dust so he can ave a pity party... And Iplay Thousand Sons. But, yep, The wolves certainly had the balance and abilitys to be an anti legion legion. I wouldn't say he was the worst. You just watched yourself betray all that you stood for and the man you most admire but doing what you believed was right, even though your father specifically warned you not to. You looked him in the eyes after crippling his greatest work meant for you to help control and saw the sorrow and regret. Imagine how you would feel. How ignorant you truly were even though you thought yourself better. The Primarchs may be genetically engineered and almost super human in their characters, but they are still just men. As a man the weight of his mis-deeds burdened him heavily. Anyway, the thousand sons were doomed from the start. Dabbling with chaos to help them just made matters worse. Maybe things would have been different, but when Tzeench sets his warp cursed eyes on you its hard to escape his fate weaving. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2439887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 No, I don't think that is the case. What Dan is forgetting, and I don't want to disappoint any Space Wolves fans here, is that the Space Wolves are not the most savage, brutal and untamed of the Legions. There is another Legion, one without the nobility and honour that is often attributed to the Space Wolves.I think he just wanted to make them sound super badass for the promo. (And they are, of course, just not in the way he is alleging.) the world eaters are the most berzerk marines, yes. there is no doubt about that. but send berzerk marines against a well entrenched, highly trained, well armored foe (such as other Marines) and they are reduced to mindless dogs. fierce and fully capable of ripping your face off, but rather a blunt instruement to bludgeon a foe. a good foe could lead and bait such animals with little work (look at angron's reaction to survivors of the first virus bombing) against a well trained foe, such as marines, you need savagery, skill and ruthlessness but also the control of aiming it. the Wolves have all this, and so, in Abnett's opinion, might be a perfect weapon to send against Marines. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2440154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 That's not what he said, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2440156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 that the Wolves were one of the smallest Legions, yet they managed to rout a Legion of deadly sorcerors and make the planet burn. Not insignificant if you ask me. The Sons were also one of the smallest Legions as well. In fact the Wolves also had help from the Sisters of Silence and the Custodes. (as well as background help from Magnus) And even then the Wolves took heavy losses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2440159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 The Sons were also one of the smallest Legions as well. In fact the Wolves also had help from the Sisters of Silence and the Custodes. (as well as background help from Magnus) And even then the Wolves took heavy losses. But unlike legions who bemoan such losses we SW just laughit off Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2440326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 No, I don't think that is the case. What Dan is forgetting, and I don't want to disappoint any Space Wolves fans here, is that the Space Wolves are not the most savage, brutal and untamed of the Legions. There is another Legion, one without the nobility and honour that is often attributed to the Space Wolves.I think he just wanted to make them sound super badass for the promo. (And they are, of course, just not in the way he is alleging.) I would give your left arm for the World Eaters to remain loyal, or for our game to be 30K *sigh* And I want them to be angry, so Dornian Heresy is out. Angry, charging towards the enemies of mankind, chopping their heads off. If only there was a loyalist Legion striving to bring the Universe under the influence of the Emperor and epitomising that style :no: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2440366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 The Sons were also one of the smallest Legions as well. In fact the Wolves also had help from the Sisters of Silence and the Custodes. (as well as background help from Magnus) And even then the Wolves took heavy losses. But unlike legions who bemoan such losses we SW just laughit off That's not entirely my point. The point was the Wolves had multiple outside advantages. Angry, charging towards the enemies of mankind, chopping their heads off. If only there was a loyalist Legion striving to bring the Universe under the influence of the Emperor and epitomising that style B) The Flesh Tearers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2440572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 [I would give your left arm for the World Eaters to remain loyal, or for our game to be 30K *sigh* And I want them to be angry, so Dornian Heresy is out. Angry, charging towards the enemies of mankind, chopping their heads off. If only there was a loyalist Legion striving to bring the Universe under the influence of the Emperor and epitomising that style :mellow: Black Templars? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2440802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 And the Thousand Sons had their sorcery to fall back on, they'd read enough books they should have destroyed the Wolves. They had a Titan under their power, shields protecting them from orbital bombardment and Tzeentch manipulating things. (Though this might be why the TS's were routed) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2440813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Lox Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 As well as the reasons previously stated, each of the Thousand Sons also had a daemon floating around to make life difficult for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2440842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 Angry, charging towards the enemies of mankind, chopping their heads off. If only there was a loyalist Legion striving to bring the Universe under the influence of the Emperor and epitomising that style :wub: The Flesh Tearers? Nah, too busy eating things. They are not "a loyalist Legion striving to bring the Universe under the influence of the Emperor and epitomising that style" Too small. Not doing it to conquer the Universe for the Emperor, trying instead to not go down the gurgler.... :lol: [I would give your left arm for the World Eaters to remain loyal, or for our game to be 30K *sigh* And I want them to be angry, so Dornian Heresy is out. Angry, charging towards the enemies of mankind, chopping their heads off. If only there was a loyalist Legion striving to bring the Universe under the influence of the Emperor and epitomising that style Black Templars? Black Templars, hmmm.... *strokes chin* ;) :yes: :woot: ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2440877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 edited. message wasnt constructive or proactive in any manner, and not worth the nonsense it would create. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2441191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 The Wolves have 13th company... nuff said :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204549-russ-wolves-question/#findComment-2441370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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