Lord of Death Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Mech Assult Spearhead Stormlord Mephiston devastator squad x 5, 4 x Plasma Cannons. devastator squad x 5, 2 x Lasscannons, 2 x Multi Meltas. devastator squad x 5, 2 x Heavy Bolters, 2 x Missile Launchers. devastator squad x 5, 4 x Missile Luanchers. TechMarine squad, full servo harness, power weapon, 4 x servitors 2 with Heavy Bolters. 1958 How Good but i will have no friends anymore lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 27, 2010 Author Share Posted June 27, 2010 What do you thinks people Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2447032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadfilth Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 no troops and the techmarine is pretty much useless since the only vehicle is the storm raven... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2447043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 27, 2010 Author Share Posted June 27, 2010 its not a storm raven its the Guard storm lord you dont need troops in spear head Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2447053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roachboy Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Thats a super heavy though... which is what the super heavy spearhead was designed for surely.... unless you want to use it in apocalypse? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2447163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 27, 2010 Author Share Posted June 27, 2010 true can be used in super heavy spear and probably should but mechanised spear heads says any vehicle with a transport capicity with one or more units brought for that vehicle. Thats why it is a bit cheaty; but in the rules! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2447184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leardinal Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Actually, It states in the explination of the formation entries that all units must be drawn from the same codex unless otherwise spesified, as with the super heavy spearhead. It us there to make sure you can't feild a super heavy unless you are willing to take a pen hit when arrives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2447274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousmaskedmystery Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 yeah, it's more than a bit cheaty, bud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2447552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liltom Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 And not within the rules :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2448057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 28, 2010 Author Share Posted June 28, 2010 -Up to three vehicle units with a transport capacity. The StormLord has -For each vehicle taken, you must take one unit of any type, from one or more entries in the army list, that can transported in a vehicle. Ie My Squads -Unless stated otherwise, all of the units in a spearhead must be chosen from the same entry in the army list, though they may take different options and upgrades. All Units the men inside are from the blood Angels and the stormlord the Apocalypse book, Space marine (Blood Angels ) can use forces of the Imperium, they just say im having that . This spearhead was checked by GW staff in the Dudly Merry Hill and have played the manager there with it . Sharing it all with you so to share the fun with Blood Angle players, And give the rest something else to moan at lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2448353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leardinal Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I hate to do this but I am going to start splitting hairs now. My group is very casual and a great deal of the time we simply let rule violations slide in our games with kind reminders to so that the game doesn't stop and the fun isn't sucked out of it. But for the sake of argument. As you quoted, the spear head lets you choose a Unit Entry The storm lord is chosen from a Data Sheet Yes, you said that the GW people checked it, but it is still technically against the rules if you follow your same logic. It would completely destroy the point of the super heavy spearhead, and just make the Spearhead expansion an addition to Apyoc, not 40k. Furthermore, following your same logic, you could field 3 Baneblades and give them all infiltrate and stealth. If I played against you, it would be this type of play that might make me never play against you again. Once again, not trying to be rude, but this is still cheating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2448433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 29, 2010 Author Share Posted June 29, 2010 you could not field super heavys in the ambush because is says tank not super heavy , the only reason you can in the mech assult is because it say any vehicle units with a transport capacity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2448712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 29, 2010 Author Share Posted June 29, 2010 to be fair m8 wouldnt use it unless player say so but is with in rules (the loop Holes) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2448815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 29, 2010 Author Share Posted June 29, 2010 Can anyone see my point ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liltom Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 If it's a loophole that means it's not the way the game is meant to be played, surely? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 like i said before just a bit off fun. just to see your m8s face when you tell him whats inside it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemal Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Its probably against the rules TBH. The APOC book allows you to mix armies - I don't recal any Codecii allowing you do likewise... I think the Armies of teh Imperium ruling is really an APOC only thing - spearhead is e.g. Imp Guard tanks and Imp Guard Super Heavies with Imp Guard support. A Storm Lord is an Imp Guard tank and I wouldn't allow BA to ride inside one TBH unless they get in and are part of a seperate group (i.e. non-spearhead) whilst you use teh Super Heavy spearhead to field it.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Mech Assult SpearheadStormlord Mephiston devastator squad x 5, 4 x Plasma Cannons. devastator squad x 5, 2 x Lasscannons, 2 x Multi Meltas. devastator squad x 5, 2 x Heavy Bolters, 2 x Missile Launchers. devastator squad x 5, 4 x Missile Luanchers. TechMarine squad, full servo harness, power weapon, 4 x servitors 2 with Heavy Bolters. 1958 How Good but i will have no friends anymore lol Well first I think it is not legal... the BBB defines what a vehicle is and a Super-heavy is not one of those things... the APOC book (and some others) define super-heavies as a totally new catagory with its own damage charts and so on... Yes a super-heavy vehicle is a 'vehicle' but it is not a vehicle by the definitions laid down in the rules and that is what matters. On your line of thought I can use super-heavy tanks as tanks... which means I can use baneblades in say an armoured formation... which you cannot... as for having no friends that isn't even that impressive... I take a reaver titan for less points and I reckon it would win... I'm assuming I can reserve as normal... so I will sit in reserve... just in case you out flank... so basically I get to shoot first... turbo lasers... and vortex missile... one turbo-laser blats mephiston... dead ^_^ Vortex missile storm lord which might kill it by itself... if not blat with other turbo laser anyway... Storm lord may well be dead if not all it can do is take my shields down... heavy bolters can't do anything... plasma cannons wont hurt unless they can get AV13 (or my shields are still up) or less and even then unlikely... missile launchers will have a tough time against my front... lascannons might do something same with meltas if within 12.... then your infantry gets blated by turbo lasers next turn... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 the differance is the same , All other spearheads state tanks , walkers , skimmers , The storm lord is a super heavy tank but it is a vehicle thats how it can be used in mech assult i see Hemal`s point off starting out and getting in but, some people just like crying like babies as per the above enough said. ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leardinal Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Look, the long and short of it boils down to this: Are you using it as an expansion to 40k or apocalypse? You cannot choose from the Imperial forces or from the apocalypse data sheets in a standard game, and that was the whole reason for the super heavy spearhead, to let you get a super heavy but with a chance that it will blow up in your face. apocalypse games are played above 3000pts, so stop trying to justify this, it is a cheat. and yes, super heavy tanks are a category all their own. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 like i said boo hoo And apocalypes games as stated in book from 2000 + so facts right Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 LoD, enough about people crying like babies. No one has been inappropriate in their responses to you. As for the legality of this, my instinct (as an admitted non-expert in Spearhead) is that its not legal. To take a super heavy you need the super heavy spearhead, not mech assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Death Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 is a super heavy tank not a vehicle? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venerable Jazzman Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 It's a Super Heavy Vehicle, in the same way that there's a difference between Infantry and Jump Infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leardinal Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I thought that they where 3000+... But you still avoided the question. Is this list apoclyspe or not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205167-spear-head/#findComment-2449833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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