To our Flesh Tearer players

[SamaNagol]

I see absolutely no reason why the Flesh Tearers, being a 10,000 year old 2nd founding chapter, would not have any suits of Artificer armour, any ornate weaponry or any 'bling'. Admittedly through casualties and such they will have lost a lot of priceless relics, but not every single item that is more ornate than factory issue paint job and squad markings only.

 

They just haven't got the time to maintain it to the high standards to which other chapters do. So feel free to include one or two 'blinged up' pieces on your models, just make sure they don't look too polished, too well maintained and too ostentatious.

 

Remember, whilst the Chapter is small at only around 400 marines, there is no reason they would have less serfs and bondsmen to look after the most senior ranking marines' equipment.

 

By my own personal reckoning, most of the battle damage comes from constant close quarters engagements with little to no respite between campaigns. They will be first to answer a distress call, make a landing and engage on the very front line away from civilians or allied forces, secure headway and allow for the Imperial Guard to come in, then leave and go to the next engagement almost immediately. Building up their reputation as 'saviours' by throwing themselves into conflict after conflict with no rest no regard for their dwindling numbers for they believe the Chapter is doomed.

 

That's my take on their 'distressed' appearance anyway.

[Malus the Destroyer]

I agree completely Sam. My Honor Guard for Seth uses Sang guard legs/chests, as they match Seth's, but painted in FT standard colors.

[Meracalis]

My honor guard have silver helmets and silver shoulder trim and my Sanguinary Guard are silver. When you add some battle damage and a dark wash, it gives them a distinct, powerful look while still retaining the battered beaten FT-ness.

[Carnus Caedes]

I didn't write the whole article. I actually only added some to it. But I plan to expand that page as much as humanly possible!

 

None the less Malus I appreciate your efforts... Good show... I will continue to search to getsomething definitive...

[WarpWalker]

I'm really enjoying reading this topic. If I may add...I feel even though they are constantly battling without rest. Because of their smaller marine count, they would have more personnel support per marine than most chapters. An army doesn't function by itself. There are surely servitors and the such to operate all things beneath the marine's concern. Having said that...the Flesh Tearers are still marines. They function on organization. Though this would be a little taxed at times. There would be no excuse for faulty armor and equipment. And paint jobs wouldn't be complete but rather touched-up.

 

I hope this helps.

[Malus the Destroyer]

If I remember correctly, their equipment looks battered and used, but is in superb operational condition. Which follows my logic that, they keep their gear in the highest working order and condition, but can't be bothered to touch up paint chipping. Practicality and functionality first and foremost for us.

[Bat33.1]

I can add some confusion to company markings...

 

"The Flesh Tearer removed his helmet and placed it under the crook of his arm, a casual gesture but one calculated to show Tarikus the skull painted on his shoulder plate and the rank insignia he bore. 'I am Gorn, Brother-Captain of the Flesh Tearers 4th Company. I command the Space Marine garrison on Merron.' This is quoted from James Swallows 'Crimson Night' short story p341 in the 'Book of Blood' Black Library compilation. The story covers the Doom Eagles meeting the Flesh Tearers again many years after the 'Kallern Massacres' but both the Doom Eagles Captain Consultus and Captain Gorn had been present on Kallern. The story also includes Sgt Noxx once more and mentions his Razorback opening the upper hatch cover with a squeek of poorly maintained hinges so a bit more fluff for the lack of maintainance on vehicles. Unfortunately other than saying the Razorback is in Flesh Tearer livery no details are given, shame really as the only known picture of an FT vehicle is a non standard Predator colour scheme in Imperial Armour II.

 

Now the company markings on the shoulder plate go against IA as that gives 1st company a skull marking I seem to recall and not 4th company? So is it Mr Swallow playing fast and loose here or do the FT use different company markings to IA? As Mr Swallow is the main man for Black Library works on the BA and succesor chapters he is as close as we get to an official fluff source. I'm very tempted to mark my current WIP FT army with skulls and claim them as 4th company - worst case it's wrong they become 1st company :huh:

[Bat33.1]

I've just noted the lexicanum has no details on the 'Kallern Massacres' either so here is the detail from Crimson Night: "The Kallern Massacres. Tarikus recalled the records of the conflict from the indoctrination sessions of his training. 'Millions dead. Terror weapons unleashed in untold numbers' 'And the Flesh Tearers in the middle of it all. What they did there earned them the attention of the inquisition, from that day to this. They embrace the tactics of the berserker, rending and destroying all that stand in their way - enemy and ally alike. If I could command it, I would never place Doom Eagles alongside them, even in the darkest of days.' Consultus - 'I have seen the Flesh Tearers in their unbounded fury. They would take prisoners for interrogation, and we would never see them again. Once I found a mass grave on the edge of my patrol zone, filled to the brim with enemy dead. I thought to check the bodies for any whom still lived, but there were none. Instead, I found men with hearts torn out by human teeth, bloodless and bone white'

[Blckbuster]

captains have personal heraldry, since the quote doesn't mention which shoulder, it could just be his own deal

[Grey Mage]

*blinks* When did it drop down to 4 companies, last I knew it was 5.

[Stormbrow II]

*blinks* When did it drop down to 4 companies, last I knew it was 5.

My Wolves got stuck into them. Sorry about that.

[Grey Mage]

*blinks* When did it drop down to 4 companies, last I knew it was 5.

My Wolves got stuck into them. Sorry about that.

<_<

 

No, but seriously I read their IA like two months ago doing research and it said they had about five companies theyd consolidated into in order to maintain fighting strength in each company because of the flaws in their gene-seed.

[lounahtic]

it'd be interesting if everyone in the flesh tearers got the ferocious instincts special rule. to show off their badassness. and seth gets an upgraded version of it. on a roll of 1 to hit him, he automatically causes a wound, saves are allowed. if you're trying to hit a flesh tearer and you critically miss (roll a 1), they kick you in your space nuts... i don't think this would be over powered, adjust the points cost and what not. orks and nids will probably be upset, seeing as how they roll like 80 dice in CC...

[Stormbrow II]

No, but seriously I read their IA like two months ago doing research and it said they had about five companies theyd consolidated into in order to maintain fighting strength in each company because of the flaws in their gene-seed.

That IA article is a few years old now. Someone at GW probably forgot that and said they've got 4 left. In fairness, when you see how bloodthirsty they supposedly are and how many actions they've been involved its no wonder attrition would set it.

 

There's no mention of Honour's End - lots died there. If anyone is going to maul a Marine Chapter its going to be the Wolves. I reckon it was Seth that cost them that one:

 

Seth: 'I AM SETH WITH INSTANT DEATH!'

GH 1: 'I have Power Armour.'

GH 2: 'I'm carrying a Wolf Standard.'

Seth: :)

[Bat33.1]

captains have personal heraldry, since the quote doesn't mention which shoulder, it could just be his own deal

 

Prior to that it describes them as having the Flesh Tearers chapter symbol on their left shoulder pad, still not conclusive but...

[Lord Kallozar]

I love what you are doing with the Flesh Tearers article!

Another thing you could include is the fact that the Flesh Tearers are all Faustians!

 

 

Side note - Im not trying to start a whole new topic or hijack this thread but could some one please tell me where its stated that the Blood Angels and their successors are split into the factions of Faustians and Sanguinians, i cant find it anywhere in the BA codex!? Also does it effect the characters rules wise!?

[SamaNagol]

Faustians and Sanguinians is fan-fic from a fan made codex leaked online before the new BA Codex came out.

[Vodunius]

In my copy the IA says four.. it was Codex Armageddon that said 5.

[Whitefireinferno]

Yeah armageddon is 5 but now its 4 Its sad times BUT all that is doing is concentrating our awsome into a smaller amount.

[Malus the Destroyer]

Again, any books with references/details, and page numbers so I can research, and so others can look themselves would help greatly.

[Whitefireinferno]

Page 30 of the Armageddon codex says the Flesh Tearers had 5 companys at the 3rd war of armageddon it is kinda weird thos since some chapters had 10+ companies there.

And page 50 of Index astares says in Carnarvon's entry says he watches over the remaining 400 FT's for the onset of the BlackRage, and 400 hunbdred pretty much means 4 companies.

[Grey Mage]

Page 30 of the Armageddon codex says the Flesh Tearers had 5 companys at the 3rd war of armageddon it is kinda weird thos since some chapters had 10+ companies there.

And page 50 of Index astares says in Carnarvon's entry says he watches over the remaining 400 FT's for the onset of the BlackRage, and 400 hunbdred pretty much means 4 companies.

Or 5 understrength companies.

[Vodunius]

Or 5 understrength companies.

 

True, but the following page explicitly stated it was four companies.