Kapitalist-Pig Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Hello all, in an attempt to help a fellow Blood Angels player out with his list. I noticed that he had more then one Troop selection of DC. Now this is where the question comes in. He has at least 5 models of actual Death Company. He has also chosen a Death Company Dreadnought to go with them. I see both of those and say the list is not legal. Why? Well they are seperate selections in the codex. Even though you need 5 regular DC models to take one, you need to fill a second troop choice for the Dread. Am I reading this incorrectly? Please help us both out. Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadGreek Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Not 100% sure what the question is, but the Dread is the second Troop choice, so tht is fine. It is just a choice you canot take UNLESS you have at least 5 DC. But once you select both the Dread isn't like the free Honor Guard for HQ, they both count towards your troop choice limit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 As I understand the question, the list in question has 2 units of Death Company (so must have Astorath as HQ). Each unit is less than 5 models, but in total they must be more than 5 (since the minimum is 3 per unit). As he has more than 5 DC in his army, he can take a DC dread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitalist-Pig Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 It is the 0-1 problem of DC. Without astorath you can only have 1 DC troop choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cstriker01 Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I'm reading the dex and under Astorath it doesn't say you can take more than one unit of DC. They way it reads is that you can have 1 unit of DC with 5-27 members in the unit, and one DC Dread for every 5 DC models in the army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 That is exactly how it works and is very simple. 0b Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen _Of_BAAL Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Page 81 Redeemer of the Lost rule under Astorath removes the 0-1 DC limit Under DC Dread listing (P89) clearly states you may include one DC Dread for ever 5 DC in your army. No mention of having all the DC in one unit. So for every 5 DC (in one or more units) you can have 1 DC Dread. The DC Dread does not count towards the 0-1 Death Company Limit, but does take up its own Troop FOC slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitalist-Pig Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 Okay so I was reading it wrong thank guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
haroon Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 in a related question, can the DC dread hold objectives? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 No, as it is vehicle and vehicles are not scoring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of the Emperor Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Plus the DC can't hold objectives either so why would a crazy walking tank be able to? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Landrain Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Plus the DC can't hold objectives either so why would a crazy walking tank be able to? Its like a junk yard dog.. he cant hold it, but he can keep others from wanting to try... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burningblood Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 DC and DC Dreads are great for CONTESTING objectives but even better for keeping enemy units from being able to get to them: I.E- CRUSH! SMASH! KILL! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I love my DC dread. 0b :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattsama Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I'm reading the dex and under Astorath it doesn't say you can take more than one unit of DC. They way it reads is that you can have 1 unit of DC with 5-27 members in the unit, and one DC Dread for every 5 DC models in the army. You're reading Astorath's entry on page 45. Go to page 82 and see the Redeemer of the Lost special rule. And the DC entry says you must have 3 and can add up to 27 (so 3-30), not 5-27. +++EDIT+++ I somehow missed Citizen of Baal's answer... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordofDeath11 Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 But once you select both the Dread isn't like the free Honor Guard for HQ, they both count towards your troop choice limit. That would be sweet. ;) As I understand the question, the list in question has 2 units of Death Company (so must have Astorath as HQ). It is the 0-1 problem of DC. Without astorath you can only have 1 DC troop choice. The DC Dread does not count towards the 0-1 Death Company Limit, but does take up its own Troop FOC slot. Seems like we are coming up with two definitive, yet opposing answers. I am still confused as to wether the answer is that the DC Dred can be taken without Astorath. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Regular BA army; 0-1 Death Company unit 3-30 DC Marines in unit Death Company Dreadnought 1 per five DC Marines With six TROOPS choices to fill, 1 FOC = 30 DC Marines 5 FOC = 5 DC Dreadnoughts Astorath Army 0-6 Death Company unit 3-30 DC Marines in unit So you could have three DC units (3-30 in size) and three DC Dreads (as long as there were 15 DC Marines in the army), for example. The 3 DC units would not need to have 5 in each unit, just a sum total of 15. So 3,4 and 8 = 15 in the 3 DC units +++ Astorath is not needed to take a DC dread. Astorath does not need to have any DC units in his army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Yes he can. A simple legal list: Captain Death Company (consisting of 5 models - this is your 0-1 choice, which Astorath allows you to take multiple units of) Death Company Dreadnought (you are allowed one of these for every 5 DC models - but DC Dreads themselves are not covered by the 0-1 restriction on DC) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordofDeath11 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Coolness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205916-dc-rules-question/#findComment-2456581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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