Spam Monkey Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Its too many points. Going to make any list short of 2500 very much a one trick pony. If your unit makes it to turn 4 you have probably won. If it doesn't, you probably lost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Its too many points.Going to make any list short of 2500 very much a one trick pony. If your unit makes it to turn 4 you have probably won. If it doesn't, you probably lost. This is a bit...minimalist. The same could be said about almost every unit in 40k except for basic troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zid Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 As one guy said, these are great force multipliers. Just knowing a squad of str 5, I5 (charging), power weapon wielding guys are coming your way makes anyone a little scared. But as many pointed out, they really suck. Lack of invun, low number of attacks w/o banner, lack of FC base, you need to buy PF's/Infernus pistols to make em effective... and they're only 5 men strong. If they could be brought up to 10 man squads, yes, they'd rock. i'd probably always run 1. But a 5 man squad of jump guys that need a 75 point priest to be effective, and typically you kit them to be 220+ points for the squad... meaning its around 300 points to make the squad useful... hell no. Its not worth it. I can almost get 2 furiosos w/ drop pods for that price, or a fully kitted out RAS + priest for 10 points more. They're fun to play with though! They're flying termis pretty much. Put em in a stormraven and blow up stuff. They eat MC's and MEQ's if given a priest! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Mine did very well at BoLScon holding an objective and surviving in several games. If they have a Priest attached and a banner they are going to mince most units they charge. 0b ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemal Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Also just a quick aside, termies did have a 5+ invul in 3rd. edition. check page 35 of the 3rd. edition codex if you don't believe me. Then rumage through the 3rd ed. dex and bask in the infinate glory of 35+pts average cheaper (geared) squads in 5th ed. Yup they did... though they didn't have the 3+ invul from Storm shields... I believe it was 4+ and only in CC. You have a later print - this was a retcon to make Termies survivable now that PW negated their save, instead of forcing them to roll a 5 or 6 on 2D6!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialReaper Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I played them a fwe times and they always were a big disappointment. IMO you can equipp them and support them with everything you want (give them FNP, a banner, infernuspistols) but all of this is for nothing if you face a few AP1/2 weapons. Te Sanguinary guard is a high priority target and weather gets shot down on their way to the enemy or in the turn they come in as shock troops and are unable to assault. I will leave them out next time and deploy a vanguard squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Vanguard are great as well. Each unit has its own strengths. 0b :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphestus Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 A unit of Sang Guard, lead by Dante with a Librarian, a Priest and a Chaplain put out 29 str 5 power weapon attacks, 5 str 10 power/force weapon attacks and 8 str 9 attacks - re-rolling misses on the charge. Pretty dern good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 A unit of Sang Guard, lead by Dante with a Librarian, a Priest and a Chaplain put out 29 str 5 power weapon attacks, 5 str 10 power/force weapon attacks and 8 str 9 attacks - re-rolling misses on the charge. Pretty dern good. And costs a minimum of 700 points! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Vanguard are great as well. Each unit has its own strengths. 0b :) Vanguard became my favorite of our jumpy Veteran options after some testing. Mainly due to being the only one that can go above 5 models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Also just a quick aside, termies did have a 5+ invul in 3rd. edition. check page 35 of the 3rd. edition codex if you don't believe me. Then rumage through the 3rd ed. dex and bask in the infinate glory of 35+pts average cheaper (geared) squads in 5th ed. Yup they did... though they didn't have the 3+ invul from Storm shields... I believe it was 4+ and only in CC. You have a later print - this was a retcon to make Termies survivable now that PW negated their save, instead of forcing them to roll a 5 or 6 on 2D6!! Hmm not to hijack this thread but I just wanted to clarify... In 3rd edition, terminators had a 2+ armour save and 5+ invulnerable save... Storm Shields only gave a 4+ invulnerable, in close-combat, but then only against 1 opponent... so if 2 powerfists hit you it's all over. The original terminators didn't have an invulnerable at all; I don't recall exactly when but it was before 3rd ed that they were given the invulnerable. -- On topic: I've had great success with my Sanguinary Guard... I usually don't even bother taking the banner in my 1750 list. One of the guys at my club likes to chase them around with his landraider full of LC terminators... he eventually assaults and kills them, but I've got him chasing tail now lol, and incidentally distracting his big point unit... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Also just a quick aside, termies did have a 5+ invul in 3rd. edition. check page 35 of the 3rd. edition codex if you don't believe me. Then rumage through the 3rd ed. dex and bask in the infinate glory of 35+pts average cheaper (geared) squads in 5th ed. Yup they did... though they didn't have the 3+ invul from Storm shields... I believe it was 4+ and only in CC. You have a later print - this was a retcon to make Termies survivable now that PW negated their save, instead of forcing them to roll a 5 or 6 on 2D6!! Hmm not to hijack this thread but I just wanted to clarify... In 3rd edition, terminators had a 2+ armour save and 5+ invulnerable save... Storm Shields only gave a 4+ invulnerable, in close-combat, but then only against 1 opponent... so if 2 powerfists hit you it's all over. The original terminators didn't have an invulnerable at all; I don't recall exactly when but it was before 3rd ed that they were given the invulnerable. -- On topic: I've had great success with my Sanguinary Guard... I usually don't even bother taking the banner in my 1750 list. One of the guys at my club likes to chase them around with his landraider full of LC terminators... he eventually assaults and kills them, but I've got him chasing tail now lol, and incidentally distracting his big point unit... I started playing in third. Terminators did not have an invul when I started, it was added about a year after Codex Armageddon. It was early in 3rd edition, but it was 3rd edition when Terminators added the invul. My old 3rd edition marine codex does not include the invul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I started playing in third. Terminators did not have an invul when I started, it was added about a year after Codex Armageddon. It was early in 3rd edition, but it was 3rd edition when Terminators added the invul. My old 3rd edition marine codex does not include the invul. Hah mine doesn't have it either - doh... shoulda looked before I posted. I just remember it always being there in 3rd I guess; the first terminators I used were in 2nd ed and they definitely didn't have it. But anyway the storm shield was as noted... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
coteaz40001 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I use an all sanguinary guard list at 2000pts Dante 225 Librarian 125 Chaplain w/ meltabombs 130 4 priests w/ PW 360 Squad w/ 5 infernus pistols and chapter banner 280 Squad w/ 3 plasma pistols 230 Squad w/ 3 plasma pistols 230 Squad w/ Power Fist 210 Squad w/ Power Fist 210 I've faced almost every race in the game, minus dark eldar and necrons. Nothing any of my opponents have is the death of my army. Are there units that can kill my squads? Yes. Simple answer...kill the dangerous stuff first. With the maneuverability of this army you should have no problem dictating the charges and keeping your opponent on the back foot. reason for edit: grammar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2480958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NExOBLIVISCARIS Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Squad w/ 5 infernus pistols and chapter bannerSquad w/ 3 plasma pistols Squad w/ 3 plasma pistols Squad w/ Power fist Squad w/ Power fist Where do you get all the arms for this? and it sounds like im the only one that loves the wings on these guys, is this true? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 u a all sanguinary guard list at 2000pts Dante Librarian Chaplain 4 priests w/ PW Squad w/ 5 infernus pistols and chapter banner Squad w/ 3 plasma pistols Squad w/ 3 plasma pistols Squad w/ Power fist Squad w/ Power fist Man, this almost makes me want to do an all SG force. That's some yummy golden goodness (I would dread having to paint those wings though). Where do you get all the arms for this? and it sounds like im the only one that loves the wings on these guys, is this true? 5 squads provided 5 Infernus pistols and 5 plasma pistols. However, most people have tons of regular pistols and if they happened to have bought the DC box, there is one in that too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NExOBLIVISCARIS Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 right wasnt thinking of you buying 5 boxs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 If you were to buy five boxes you would have enough bling for entire company. 0b Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialReaper Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Can you play that many elites? I dont think so... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Can you play that many elites? I dont think so... Use Dante and they're troop choices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 u a all sanguinary guard list at 2000pts Dante Librarian Chaplain 4 priests w/ PW Squad w/ 5 infernus pistols and chapter banner Squad w/ 3 plasma pistols Squad w/ 3 plasma pistols Squad w/ Power fist Squad w/ Power fist Your list is more than 2250pts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Your list is more than 2250pts. I don't make it over 2250 but it certainly is more than the 2000 limit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Your list is more than 2250pts. I don't make it over 2250 but it certainly is more than the 2000 limit. I assumed the ICs in his list come with jump packs. 2255pts with JPs 2105 without JPs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I make it 2055 with JP's. Either way it's over the top though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Oops! Something wrong with my calculator... 2165pts with JPs 2015 without JPs Precision is everything! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/207133-justify-sanguinary-guard-to-me/page/3/#findComment-2481370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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