Skirax Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 The Traitor Legions>Fulgrim, Angron and Mortarion>Horus>Erebus>Lorgar>Kor Phaeron>Colchis Who came first? How was Kor swayed to Chaos? There must have been some really amazingly traumatic event that caused it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 I think they left that to our imagination. It leaves suspense :D In my opinion however, I believe it would have been the whisperings of the gods in his ears, slowly polluting his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted August 3, 2010 Author Share Posted August 3, 2010 But that seems a little obscure because how would he have come to realise these as Chaos in the first place? Maybe it's like that, but after an attack on a heretical world that led to him finding an artifact of Chaos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Maybe they were Chaos worshippers before they were made Word Bearers? Or an event such as the Whisperheads occured and they got corrupted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted August 3, 2010 Author Share Posted August 3, 2010 It would make sense if Colchis' religious infrastructure was tainted by Chaos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Yes, chaos must have taken root in their soceity at some point... maybe they confused the Emperor with chaos? Damn traitors die! Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
increaso Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 If only they were to release a novel detailing the first heretic. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Well, the Tales of Heresy has a short story called "Scions of th Storm", which deals with the Word Bearers directly after their censorship from the Emperor. the tales has Lograr in his flagsip refusing all compnay while he deals with his crisis of faith, when Lograr and Erebus comfort him and asks him what does he know of the old Gods of Colchis. this is where the heresy begins, in my opinion. it doesnt say "the old chaos gods of Colchis" or whatever, but it basically implies them and when yo see who the Word Bearers emerge worshiping, its doesnt take a genius to put them together. WLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethus Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 From my understanding of The Horus Heresy novel series, Chaos had taken root on Colchis long before Lorgar was cast there by a warp storm. The religious leaders and castes had heretical practices, including various rituals dedicated to Chaos, though mostly without knowledge or understanding the true nature of Gods they (the people of Colchis) were worshipping. Lorgar's fanatical religious views and worshipping the Emperor as God were a result of Kor Phaeron's teachings (Lorgar's tutor and a teacher). The seed of Chaos has always been in the people of Colchis. Kor Phaeron was the first one to reject the Emperor and his teaching and to worship Chaos instead. Corrupting Lorgar was his next move, and it prooved to be quite easy since Lorgar felt betrayed by the Emperor for refusing to be seen as a God. About Erebus; I'm not sure if it was Kor Phaeron who corrupted him or Chaos directly. After Kor Phaeron, Lorgar and Erebus had fallen, the rest of their legion followed. One of the key pieces of Heresy were warrior lodges, adopted by Word Bearers at Davin (deeply corrupted by Chaos, its' inhabitants mutated too far from human form, they were xenos). Word Bearers formally brought Davin into compliance, while in secret they adopted Chaos rituals and lodges. Warrior lodges were secrectly introduced to other legions, the most importantly, Luna Wolves, with Horus' approval. That was the beginning of the end. Later, Horus was lured to Davin by Erebus to be wounded by a sword corrupted by Nurgle. Previously, Erebus secretly stole that sword (called Anatheme I believe) while escorting the Luna Wolves in a campaign on a human world which was about to join the Imperium. Erebus' theft was conducted while Horus was in a meeting with the system's authorities. The sword was kept in a museum, as a relic of old wars between humans and xenos there. Erebus knew about it, and he knew that stealing it will result in a war between the Imperium and this world which was about to become compliant. The trap was set by Chaos and Erebus on Davin. Horus was wounded and Erebus suggested that priests of Davin can heal him with their sorcery. Horus' closest friends and advisors with the exception of Garviel Loken (10th Company Captain) and Tarik Torgaddon (2nd Company Captain) agreed to take Horus to the moon's surface. In the time Loken and Torgaddon made it to the surface to try to talk them out of this it was too late, Horus was sealed in the temple together with Erebus and corrupted sorcerers of Davin. The Warmaster had fallen. After 9 days Horus emerged from the temple, seemingly healthier than ever before, but his soul was twisted and that's when The Horus Heresy secretly started. Before Isstvan III, Angron and Fulgrim fell aswell. Angron's corruption didn't involve any sorceries, he was already full of hate for the Emperor since their first meeting. All Horus needed to do is promise him blood and slaughter, and the Emperor's death. Fulgrim came to Horus after the reports of war crimes reached the Earth, and Horus gifted him the Anatheme (the sword which wounded and corrupted Horus himself). That was the end of Fulgrim's loyalty to the Emperor. The chain of Heresy would be something like this: 1. Colchis 2. Kor Phaeron 3. Erebus 4. Lorgar and Word Bearers 5. Horus and Luna Wolves (except loyalist captains Loken, Torgaddon (killed on Isstvan III) and Qruze escaped from Isstvan III orbit to warn the Imperium) 6. Angron and World Eaters 7. Fulgrim and Emperor's Children (captain Saul Tarvitz remained loyal to the Emperor and led the survivors of Isstvan III bombing) If anyone has information to fill the gaps or add something please do, I consume any piece of information related to this. Purge the unclean, burn the heretic, kill the undead! This is the judgement of the righteous, scum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Sangha Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 actually fulgrims fall began on Lear when he took the sword from the learian temple. it was tainted with chaos and began whispering in his ear and guiding him towards chaos, untill he was possessed by it. as for angron there is more to the story then what we know. his legion for example was extremely loyal, and were probably mostly terran born because angron did not recruit from his home world. i think the they were currupted by the neural implants that angron insisted be used on his marines. it unbalanced them and made them susceptable to chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethus Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I haven't read Fulgrim novel yet, that's probably where Lear events are described. As soon as I finish Flight of the Eisenstein I'll get on with it. The World Eaters, like all other legions, followed their primarch. Yes, they were straight until the Emperor found Angron. Angron was about to fight and die with his gladiator brethren against their enslavers and refused to leave them. The Emperor teleported him, against Angron's will, to World Eaters' flagship. That's where Angron's loyalty, guilt and savagery drove him mad for letting his comrades die without him. And that's where he killed many important World Eaters captains who led the legion until then. After he realized his only possible path from there was to asume the command of his legion, that's what he did. And he immediatelly started planting aggression implants into his soldiers, like it was done to him and his gladiators before. That turned World Eaters into bloodthirsty butchers and with their insatiable hunger for slaughter it wasn't hard for Horus to corrupt them. Angron wanted his revenge on the Emperor, and the legion followed. Those who didn't follow were massacred on Isstvan III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Yeah, the "old gods" of Colchis were obviously the Chaos gods. If you read Liber Chaotica (pretty much required reading for all Chaos fans) it talks about how each of the gods is worshiped in different forms by different people, some worship Nurgle as a raven for example and Slaanesh as a serpent. Point is that probably most of the various gods worshiped by various galactic diaspora are actually Chaos gods, which is probably a large reason that the Emperor wanted to get rid of religion. Of course First Heretic will probably give a more in depth explanation, though hopefully it doesn't stray too far from what's been established as I actually like that fluff, especially the uncertainty it creates about Kor Phaeron's allegiance to the Emperor even before their chastisement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share Posted August 4, 2010 Slaanesh as a serpent The Garden of Eden anyone? But yeah, I agree with all of your points. I'll update my OP to change the chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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