Thunderwolf Mounts, Fenrisian Wolves, and Wolf Priests

[stinkenheim]

No, not exactly like the IC attaching to a unit.

The wolf guard are added in when the unit deploys, so before any character has a chance of joining them.

 

It is similar, but being similar doesn't mean the same.

[Grimtooth]

Seriously trying to even equate that is ridiculous. At what point does the IC, the GH, or the WG have a limitation on the unit type they can join beig violated? Try to be relevant with your arguments instead of just pulling crap out of thin air.

[SeanyPrawny]

Ok then. I was refering to the argument that a hq joining a unit makes the unit a whole diffrent unit so in this case from grayhunter to grayhunerwolfpriest. A wolf guard can only join certain units, gray hunters being one of them. If the wolf priest joining the gray hunters makes it a diffrent unit (one not specified on the list wolf guard can join) then the wolf guard cannot also be apart of it. Now I know that the wolf guard joins first but thats not the point here. The point is the unit stays the same regardless who joins it and even if it did it wouldn't matter if you put the units in in the right order. So wolf priest into fen wolves followed by lord.

 

I also said exactly to show that what stormbrow pointed out is exactly what I was getting at. Not that it was exactly "right"

[TiguriusX]

WG don't "join" units. Joining is a specific rule that involves movement and coherency etc.

 

WG are assigned to packs before a battle starts They are, for all intents and purposes, an upgrade character and a part of the unit without changing any rules or behavior of the unit (this is why they can OBEL with scouts)

 

 

IC's like the WP and a WG/WGBL have specific rules they have to follow before joining another unit.

 

The TWM provides an additional subset of rules that apply to the joining rule set.

 

As with other SW items this leads us into a poor combination of codex rules and BRB rules but there is written support in the codex for Marshal Wilhelm's position (joining rules have a bullet point that says "combined unit")

 

There are no rules telling us what a "combined unit" means or how it changes existing rules for the unit with respect to joining. *THIS IS THE PROBLEM*

 

Whether a "combined unit" of a WP + FW is not considered a unit of FW for the purposes of a TWM is still up for debate...you point to the "combined unit" language and argue they form a new FW + WP voltron type unit and the opposing side points to "part of the unit" language and says the WP is absorbed into the amorphous blob known simply as a FW unit. Nobody can use the rules to prove one interpretation is clearly correct.

 

What I actually find odd is the fact fluff is coming into the discussion about feral wolves not letting foot sloggers near them but the fact a WP can take saga of wolfkin isn't being used as part of the evaluation

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

Gosh, I think I am dumber now after reading through all of that. Seriously guys? This is what passes for reasoned debate around here? Did anything remotely new and useful show up on either side of the argument after page 1? Yammering the same points repeatedly doesn't make you more right. It just makes people like me shake my head.

[Stormbrow II]

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