Brother Chris Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 A pack of resin blood chalices. Any other bits you think they ought to make for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Hard to say but some terminator conversion kits that look close to the space hulk moddels would go down well I think, (given what they have done with deathguard and worldeaters termies anyway). I have to put so much conversion work into my regular terminator kits so they dont look daft next to the hulk ones, but even then theres only so much I can do with glue, bits and green stuff. I'm honestly struggleing to think of anything else, most vehicle pannels and brass etchings are already catered for, and the standard GW sanguard and death company kits make any general upgrade kits seem a bit redundant, as will the impending stormraven and dread kit. Some sexy resin wings for charachters maybe? Edit: Also an awsome sanguinary preist and or reclusiarch moddel wouldent go amiss either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Storm shields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 forgeworld ba dread. everyone else gets one but us. even if we get this plastic one a forgeworld one would do well me thinks. actually they should have done that before the plastic oe was released... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 forgeworld ba dread. everyone else gets one but us. even if we get this plastic one a forgeworld one would do well me thinks. actually they should have done that before the plastic oe was released... I suspect that is precisely reason they havent bothered with a BA dread is because they knew there was a plastic in the works. FW generally stop selling an item when it gets a propper GW plastic kit (thinking piranhas and trygon etc.). There is scope for a new FW dread design, but it would have to be something a bit different to the usual (maybe give it an actual jump pack :lol: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebsolom Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I'd like them to sculpt a new Dante, Mephiston and maybe Corbulo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I would love to see an arm holding up a Blood Chalice or even a Terminator Priest model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I would like correct pricing for the resin that they use as well as shipping. The standard pricing guide for fully painted and assembled resin statues and kits is an $1.00 per inch....now take into account that these are not painted not assembled...those things shouldn't cost more then about $0.50 per figure, and maybe $3.00 per tank. That includes the resin that they use as well, and the making of the molds...ugh sometimes I hate the fact I work in the injection molding/toy industry...dont get me started on the costs of a sprue of marines.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage Is On Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I second the Chalice sprue. A TDA upgrade pack , like the SW one. Amazing looking Blood Talons would also make my day. End of Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I would like correct pricing for the resin that they use as well as shipping. The standard pricing guide for fully painted and assembled resin statues and kits is an $1.00 per inch....now take into account that these are not painted not assembled...those things shouldn't cost more then about $0.50 per figure, and maybe $3.00 per tank. That includes the resin that they use as well, and the making of the molds...ugh sometimes I hate the fact I work in the injection molding/toy industry...dont get me started on the costs of a sprue of marines.... Low turnover & specialised interest I'm afraid. You pay a premium with FW as they produce limited runs of (stupidly) highly detailed original moddels. I would imagine the cost of actual resin barely factors into their prices. You are paying for sculptors and other such overheads, plus they have an effective monopoly on their little corner of GW's buisness (you cannot buy minatures based on GW's intelectual property anywhere else other than from GW itself). With you to some extent on the plastic marines etc. I understand GW spends around £500,000 to set up the average run which is nothing compared to what they will make, but they have ENORMOUS overheads from retail stores and staff which I suspect accounts for much of their price, and is why someone like airfix can kick out plastic kits for a fraction of the cost (more units shifted, and considerably lower overheads relative to the size of their production run). Tho you will struggle to find someone that can produce plastics as detailed as GW now does which to some extent justifies the premimum they charge. Afterall where else are you going to go Privateer Press? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I am factoring in the cost of tooling and production...ammaterized(sp?)out over the line. Trust me, resin is the cheapest thing on earth to use. Cheaper then lead/pewter due to molds. And to get on the topic of plastic....I still dont get why GW doesnt go and get the same bloody details out of injection molding as they do resin...its not hard to do at all. Look at about any and all plastic model kits at your hobby shop, look at the detail in about any tank...it is done using the same methods as GW does for its "highly detailed plastics". As for almost a million us for the molds...where do you get your information? I can have an entire mold made and shipped to the UK ( as GW does ) for less then 5k a mold (sans shipping)...and that is with multiple cavities, included...and maybe $1,000.00 or less for the autocad designing. I am 28, but ive been working in the injection molding/toy-mold industry on the production side for close to 13 years...family business for the win. We made toys for DC Comics, Dark Horse, Medicom, EA, Sony Online...to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I'd like a Blood Angels upgrade sprue, you know, just a kit filled with Blood Angel-themed shoulder pads, weapons, decorations and armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I'd like a Blood Angels upgrade sprue, you know, just a kit filled with Blood Angel-themed shoulder pads, weapons, decorations and armor. I don't think FW likes producing the same stuff that GW does. The chalice would be great, and a TDA Priest would just be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I am factoring in the cost of tooling and production...ammaterized(sp?)out over the line. Trust me, resin is the cheapest thing on earth to use. Cheaper then lead/pewter due to molds. And to get on the topic of plastic....I still dont get why GW doesnt go and get the same bloody details out of injection molding as they do resin...its not hard to do at all. Look at about any and all plastic model kits at your hobby shop, look at the detail in about any tank...it is done using the same methods as GW does for its "highly detailed plastics". As for almost a million us for the molds...where do you get your information? I can have an entire mold made and shipped to the UK ( as GW does ) for less then 5k a mold (sans shipping)...and that is with multiple cavities, included...and maybe $1,000.00 or less for the autocad designing. I am 28, but ive been working in the injection molding/toy-mold industry on the production side for close to 13 years...family business for the win. We made toys for DC Comics, Dark Horse, Medicom, EA, Sony Online...to name a few. Ive gotten that figure from two separate GW managers (well the other said over quater of a mill, but that was a couple years ago) but I'm not an industry insider or anything so take that with as much salt as you feel necessary (one of them also suggested £50,000ish to set up a full metal moulding run if that helps give you some idea wether they are on plannet earth) My understanding was GW produces its moulds in house and is somewhat of an industry leader in terms of its tech but I could be missinformed I guess, tho I certainly cant come with you on the idea that standard airfix tanks and planes come even close to the kind of complex undercuts and sharp edges GW has been kicking out of a late (with plastics mind, I know its not so hard in resin and metal). Ultimately tho regardless of the details GW does have overheads that are way larger than most plastic model factories, and it has an effective monopoly on its market. Bad combo for the consumers wallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slyfox1990 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I'd like a Blood Angels upgrade sprue, you know, just a kit filled with Blood Angel-themed shoulder pads, weapons, decorations and armor. Sanguinary box and Death Company pack both seem good for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I am factoring in the cost of tooling and production...ammaterized(sp?)out over the line. Trust me, resin is the cheapest thing on earth to use. Cheaper then lead/pewter due to molds. And to get on the topic of plastic....I still dont get why GW doesnt go and get the same bloody details out of injection molding as they do resin...its not hard to do at all. Look at about any and all plastic model kits at your hobby shop, look at the detail in about any tank...it is done using the same methods as GW does for its "highly detailed plastics". As for almost a million us for the molds...where do you get your information? I can have an entire mold made and shipped to the UK ( as GW does ) for less then 5k a mold (sans shipping)...and that is with multiple cavities, included...and maybe $1,000.00 or less for the autocad designing. I am 28, but ive been working in the injection molding/toy-mold industry on the production side for close to 13 years...family business for the win. We made toys for DC Comics, Dark Horse, Medicom, EA, Sony Online...to name a few. Ive gotten that figure from two separate GW managers (well the other said over quater of a mill, but that was a couple years ago) but I'm not an industry insider or anything so take that with as much salt as you feel necessary (one of them also suggested £50,000ish to set up a full metal moulding run if that helps give you some idea wether they are on plannet earth) My understanding was GW produces its moulds in house and is somewhat of an industry leader in terms of its tech but I could be missinformed I guess, tho I certainly cant come with you on the idea that standard airfix tanks and planes come even close to the kind of complex undercuts and sharp edges GW has been kicking out of a late (with plastics mind, I know its not so hard in resin and metal). Ultimately tho regardless of the details GW does have overheads that are way larger than most plastic model factories, and it has an effective monopoly on its market. Bad combo for the consumers wallet Mind you the molds I am talking about are standard for making toys or model kits...about the size of a vw bug, solid metal. So I think your managers had a bad case of "telephone" for that rumour. There is nothing that GW is doing/has done that is cutting edge...in the 90s we where using autocad/cad/3d studio combos to create figures for companies. As for the detail, and sharp edges...go out and buy say...a gundam model or a tank of any type...more detail in there then anything GW does...same methods used by both parties. GW would not have as high overhead if it just got an actual business plan...the things they do stunts their own growth...in my opinion...the only thing they really have is a monopoly, that alone is what they use to get away with the high prices...I should know I still play the game and have been for countless years simply based off my fanbo-ness of the bloody thing LOLOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Mind you the molds I am talking about are standard for making toys or model kits...about the size of a vw bug, solid metal. So I think your managers had a bad case of "telephone" for that rumour. There is nothing that GW is doing/has done that is cutting edge...in the 90s we where using autocad/cad/3d studio combos to create figures for companies. As for the detail, and sharp edges...go out and buy say...a gundam model or a tank of any type...more detail in there then anything GW does...same methods used by both parties. GW would not have as high overhead if it just got an actual business plan...the things they do stunts their own growth...in my opinion...the only thing they really have is a monopoly, that alone is what they use to get away with the high prices...I should know I still play the game and have been for countless years simply based off my fanbo-ness of the bloody thing LOLOL Once again cant come with you on the "any tank kit" thing, Ive done both "normal" airfix and games workshop moddels for basically all my life and the comparrison just dosent exist anymore for me. The only way any tank kit ive ever come across gets even close is by having an insane volume of tiny parts, which I'm shure anyone could do. Space Hulk termies, BA and pretty much any of the dark eldar kits are incredible, nothing I have ever assembled has come close to the kind of surface detail they have. Simmilar maybe, but side by side theres little comparison for me. Nor have I ever come across a company that produces such consistently awsome sci-fi design concepts, theres a reason for that monopoly and it isent just agressive buisness tactics bt GW, their IP has little or no equal in context. Thats why people like privateer press only ever seem to syphon off the serious gamers, they may have abetter game system, and they might look after their customers better, but its not 40k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liath Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I'd like to see primarchs models, just for collecting :) Would love to paint a Sanguinius mini ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsutter Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Mind you the molds I am talking about are standard for making toys or model kits...about the size of a vw bug, solid metal. So I think your managers had a bad case of "telephone" for that rumour. Lets do the math on that: A VW bug is roughly 160"x60"x60"= 576000 cubic inches 1 cubic inch of steel weighs roughly .283 pounds so that mold would weigh 163008 lbs or 81.504 US tons Last time I scrapped steel I was payed ~$275 a ton So that would be ~$22413.60 If it was made of any other metal it would be worth far more, even aluminum which would weigh substantially less would be valued at substantially more money. That doesn't include the shipping cost or the machining cost, just metal. I could easily see the price quoted by another member for the set up of the molds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatox Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I'd like an ugrade sprue of some marines in the grip of the Red-Thirst... I think People would buy that and it'd look good <_< malatox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I'd like to see primarchs models, just for collecting :(Would love to paint a Sanguinius mini ! This +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Mind you the molds I am talking about are standard for making toys or model kits...about the size of a vw bug, solid metal. So I think your managers had a bad case of "telephone" for that rumour. Lets do the math on that: A VW bug is roughly 160"x60"x60"= 576000 cubic inches 1 cubic inch of steel weighs roughly .283 pounds so that mold would weigh 163008 lbs or 81.504 US tons Last time I scrapped steel I was payed ~$275 a ton So that would be ~$22413.60 If it was made of any other metal it would be worth far more, even aluminum which would weigh substantially less would be valued at substantially more money. That doesn't include the shipping cost or the machining cost, just metal. I could easily see the price quoted by another member for the set up of the molds. You are forgetting that it is the size of a VW but not the weight of a VW. The mold is a...well mold. Not a solid piece of steel. Sooooo I am still right :P Here is a good example of a mold now imagine that duplicated about 10000000000000000000000 times : http://www.injectionmolder.net/soldier.jpg By your standards...dear God man could you imagine how large the machine would be to handle that much weight???? LOLOL and by VW Bug, I mean aircooled not the watercooled beetle. I should also point out that depending upon what type of kit/toy is in the mold also dictates the size...something like the baneblade would be the size of a VW, where as basic marines or guard would be about the size of an engine block if the cavities are placed properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Ok everyone. Lets keep this discussion to what we want Forgeworld to make for us, not another discussion of costs of GW products. There are plenty of threads already where those debates occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Fair enough Mod. Moving right along.... What I would like to see...is the extra armour option to be on the site again, as well as some stylized jump packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsutter Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 OK, I wasn't trying to get a price argument started either, I just misread what TheMouth was saying. As for what I would like to see: A CCW pack, with chain swords/axes, power swords/axes, lightning claws (pr-heresy finger-claw would be my preference) and a Combi-weapon pack as we could all use more combi-meltas and plasma and they already have a great combi-flamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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