theory on Ferrus Manus

[Badaboom]

Though I am a friend of glorious deaths with no return, Ferrus´body was never revocovered and IIRC, even the Demon-Fulgrim finds it weird when he looks around, unable to find his enemy´s corpse. Well, let´s wait for the Wolftime then...

[shrike2214]

If having your head sliced off isn't enough to keep someone down for good then I don't know what is. Ferrus Manus is dead. No head = dead.

 

40k is supposed to be a grim and dark place to live in. I think the death of some of the greatest champions is part of that universe. 40k isn't about happy endings... or happy anything for that matter.

That's the point I was making 40k is a time of no more heroes as for putting him in a dreadnought I dont think a primarch could be intered simply because there biology is so far removed from even marines as is said in False Gods there as far removed from astares as they are from humans

[XKhalilX]

In terms of Gulliman he's not dead, just a major slice in the throat "Tis only a flesh wound."

In terms of Alpharius, I am not even going to go there. The Alpha legion are 40k version of the Madhatter, nothing they do or say makes a bit of sense! I pass on that!

 

as i said earlier, i was NEVER a fan of Iron hands or Ferrus Manus. I found them so boring, until one this idea came to me to blend religious mysticism with their techno saviness. Hence my CHildren of Eternity. Since then it seems all my ideas for DIY always start off from IH foundation. it's quite odd! I think of all the chapters, Iron Hands and Salamanders represent what an astartes would be in 40k-42k. On one end you have the brutal savage stoics, on the other a group of compassionate warriors for humanity. They are completely black and white from each other (or should I saw black and green!).

 

Do I think Ferrus Manus died? I'd say there is like a 97-99% chance he did. I won't say 100% because with 40k, you just never know! Do my Children of Eternity believe he died? Yes, but they think he may be resurrected but don't count on it to become one with the Omnissiah. My Scions of Infinite are certain he died along with the other dead loyal and traitor primarchs, they are certain of it. They just believe once the EMperor rises from his Golden Throne (which they are certain of that he will once the prophecies are fulfilled), he will bring back the dead. The Sons of Idaeon are the other extreme, they believe he never died, at all, and its all propaganda. So they believe he is hiding like Corax, Vulkan, Russ, Lion, etc. basically believing that none of his sons have proven their worth enough for him to show his face again, and they will be the ones to show their father what it means to be a stoic, brutal warrior in his name and honor.

 

40k is all about conspiracies and misinformation. i think that is one of the main reasons it makes it so great!

 

I say rationanlly, Ferrus Manus is most likely dead. My heart however says. HE LIVES!

[lee265]

Sure why not this is 40k so yes because I want to see the model of him in a dreadnought.

[Codicier Lucion]

If having your head sliced off isn't enough to keep someone down for good then I don't know what is. Ferrus Manus is dead. No head = dead.

 

40k is supposed to be a grim and dark place to live in. I think the death of some of the greatest champions is part of that universe. 40k isn't about happy endings... or happy anything for that matter.

 

Wait, you did read Fulgrim right? Do you really think bringing back Ferrus would create happy endings for a lot of people. He'd probably create a lot more strife and problems than he did good. Hell, he'd probably kill most of the High Lords of terra for creating a cease fire with the Tau.

The thing about the Primarchs is that except for one or two there are possible ways for every damn one of them to come back.

 

Also, we've had characters survive being shot point blank in the head, their arms ripped off, their blood boiled and their hearts explode, and being stabbed through multiple vital organs. And in a couple of cases being posessed by daemons or having a marine's Larraman cells go into overdrive and create blood clots through out his entire body.

 

By this point, i'm amazed anything short of being obliterated from reality is counted as a confirmed kill.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Regardless Lucion, Ferrus is indeed dead. His *ghost* appeared to the Iron Hands when the Emperor was struck down by Horus. That's what, five years after the drop site? Seven? Something like that. So he was dead for a while. The Hands are my numero uno army and I hate that Ferrus lost his head, but it happened.

[Iron Father Jaro]

There is another possibility of Ferrus resurrection.

If we assume that Ferrus silver hands ware covered in Necrons "living metal" there is possibility that this living metal could hold/sustain his soul after he was decapitated. Just like it sustain the souls of necron lords.

 

Then if his body was recovered by Iron Hands, and moved to Mars, this living metal could regenerate Ferrus head.

[Larkyn]

This is quite a fanwank thread.

 

Ferrus Manus is dead, as quite a few people have said.

[shrike2214]

I love the idea thought that a disscussion about weather someone who has LOST THERE HEAD could still be alive could only happen on a 40k forum. Like Warmaster has said hes dead all the primarchs are otherwise one of them would have stepped forward in the 10,000 years since HH

[XKhalilX]

oh ye all of little faith....

[Larkyn]

oh ye all of little faith....

 

Oh ye of little fluffsmarts.

 

Dead = dead = dead = dead = dead.

[Sons of Horus]

IF (and that's a massive IF) he did somehow survive it would only work if they didn't bring back his body since it has no head (regeneration just cheapens it). They'd have to use a lame excuse like "oh yeah, his memories/consciousness were contained in this thing." Other than that I just don't see it happening. It just really makes everything of less quality if they brought Ferrus back.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

There is another possibility of Ferrus resurrection.

If we assume that Ferrus silver hands ware covered in Necrons "living metal" there is possibility that this living metal could hold/sustain his soul after he was decapitated. Just like it sustain the souls of necron lords.

 

Then if his body was recovered by Iron Hands, and moved to Mars, this living metal could regenerate Ferrus head.

 

His ghost appeared simultaneously to his entire Legion. If his soul is talking to his troopers, I doubt it's locked inside his hands.

[BrotherHostower]

Possible Legion, Blood Angels, Fulgrim, AND Mechanicum novels SPOILERs after the 2 Missing Primarchs part of the post, beware!

 

Chaos Primarchs -

Fulgrim, Angron, Magnus, Mortarion, Perturabo, Lorgar - Daemon Princes

Horus, Alpharius, Konrad - Dead

 

Loyal Primarchs -

Sanguinius, Ferrus Manus - Dead

Guilliman - Stasis, nearly chopped off head "healing" supposedly same weapon that kills Ferrus & almost kills Horus

Jonson - Critically Wounded, under care of jawas (Watchers in the Dark)

Dorn, Khan - Missing (Possible captives of the Dark Eldar)

Corax, Russ - Missing (Nevermore & into the Eye of Terror)

 

Two Missing Legion Primarchs - So very Dead

 

There are 2 I can't account for, Vulkan (I don't remember any IA saying if he was killed at the Dropsite Massacre or later and none of the HH books that show the Massacre show Vulkan yet, just Lorgar, Kurze, Corax, Fulgrim & Ferrus), he may be in the "Wandered off" catagory, or Alpharius' twin (Since we only know for certain that Robby iajutsu slew one of the two of them).

 

Added note on Dorn - Some will consider him dead, but when the IF got to the battle, all they found was his hand, not his whole body, and the DE are known for inflicting torture, and really, I can imagine the pain they could put on Dorn could probably almost eternally run a large portion of Cormorragh.

 

Added note on Horus - if you take James Swallow's books as canon (I know I know), Fabulous Billy tells the audience (Rafen & Readers) that the others killed all of his Horus clones during one of his "Villain Monologue Gloating I'mBetterThanYou" speeches and is currently working on making his own primarchs now.

 

Now, if any one of the Missing Primarchs is found to be for certain dead, and the others who are critically injured, missing, etc return, you can have the Heresy Part 2, as the Daemon Prince Primarchs, and their returned from questing/returned from healing brothers have at it all over again.

 

On another Ferrus Note, whatever special creature he got his awesome hands from couldn't actually be the C'Tan Dragon, as in Mechanicum, you learn that the Emperor beat him down and trapped him in a weird Oubliette long long before the Unification wars.

[Overlord_Krycis]

Added note on Dorn - Some will consider him dead, but when the IF got to the battle, all they found was his hand, not his whole body, and the DE are known for inflicting torture, and really, I can imagine the pain they could put on Dorn could probably almost eternally run a large portion of Cormorragh.

 

Didn't they find his hand on a chaos ship after he boarded it with a load of IF?

[BrotherHostower]

hmmm, might have been a chaos ship, for some reason I thought it was a DE ship, anyone got the old IF IA handy? heh

[eaglefists13]

The Iron Hands came to despise weakness of the flesh, not the mind.

As peneance for what they saw as failure at the dropsite massacres they became even more obsessed with replacing the weak flesh. So the possibility of Ferrus doing what you say isnt logical, plus the book is pretty explicit and the demon blade savours the kill.

[XKhalilX]

warmaster sounds your like taking this a bit personal. take a freakin chill pill and relax man. I mean for goodness sakes its a discussion on whether or not an imaginary being called a primarch can actually come back or not. Stop talkin to your mini space marines and do some human interaction. it may help. :rolleyes:

[calgar101]

Just to clarify as of the 5th Ed Space Marine codex Dorn is dead, just as dead as Ferrus and Sanguinius.

[Larkyn]

warmaster sounds your like taking this a bit personal. take a freakin chill pill and relax man. I mean for goodness sakes its a discussion on whether or not an imaginary being called a primarch can actually come back or not. Stop talkin to your mini space marines and do some human interaction. it may help. :)

 

Actually, it sounds to me as if YOU'RE taking it seriously. I'm sittin' here chuckling at all futile attempts at saying that there's even a small, microscopic chance that Manus is still alive.

 

And, for the record, he's dead. :lol:

[XKhalilX]

warmaster sounds your like taking this a bit personal. take a freakin chill pill and relax man. I mean for goodness sakes its a discussion on whether or not an imaginary being called a primarch can actually come back or not. Stop talkin to your mini space marines and do some human interaction. it may help.

 

Actually, it sounds to me as if YOU'RE taking it seriously. I'm sittin' here chuckling at all futile attempts at saying that there's even a small, microscopic chance that Manus is still alive.

 

And, for the record, he's dead. ;)

 

if u read my previous comments ud see i personally dont think he is but i made a couple chapters that believe otherwise.

[Dominicus]

Lets look at all the primarchs, shall we?

 

Ferrus Manus

Beheaded by Fulgrim on Isstvan V. Head was taken by Fulgrim and given to Horus as a trophy. Horus probably used it as a hood ornament for his battle barge.

Conclusion: He's more dead than a human on the receiving end of a plasma cannon shot to the head.

 

Horus

Slain by the Emperor aboard his tainted battle barge. His soul was psychically destroyed by the Emperor. His body was cloned, but the clones were destroyed by Abbadon.

Conclusion: dead, never to return.

 

Sanguinius

Most beatific of the primarchs, slain by Horus at the end of the Heresy. Body was recovered when Dorn found the Emperor. Blood Angels still have the body.

Conclusion: He has more shrines than any other person in the Imperium, save the Emperor. GW will probably bring him back.

 

Rogal Dorn

Died under mysterious circumstances. Some fluff has the Chapter only finding his hand, while others claim his body was recovered intact and whole, and was encased in amber upon his corpse's return to the Phalanx.

Conclusion: I'll leave this one open for discussion. <_<

 

Roboute Guilliman

Throat was slit by Fulgrim; interred within a stasis field at moment of death; many claim he is healing, but Chapter's Techmarines dismiss these rumours as incorrect, stating time cannot move within the stasis field.

Conclusion: Alive. It would be easy for GW to bring Guiliiman back by having the Emperor use some arcane psychic power to heal him.

 

Konrad Curze

Believed to be killed at hands of an gent from the Officio Assassinorum. However, tape cuts out just as assassin leaps at Curze; fate ultimately unknown

Conclusion: Dead, but the Emperor will likely resurrect him IF the GW brings the Emperor back to life, as it is said that Curze let the assassin "kill" him as punishment for betraying his brothers and father.

 

Angron

Elevated to Daemon Princehood by patron god Khorne after Heresy

Conclusion: Alive, and angry as ever.

 

Fulgrim

Elevated to Daemon Princehood by patron god Slaanesh after Heresy

Conclusion: Alive

 

Lorgar

Elevated to Daemon Princehood by Chaos Undivided after Heresy

Conclusion: Alive

 

Mortarion

Elevated to Daemon Princehood by patron god Nurgle after Heresy

Conclusion: Alive, though the way Nurgle's followers look, some would beg to differ.

 

Alpharius/Omegon

Twins, both primarchs of Alpha Legion. Guilliman believed to have killed Alpharius, but speculation says he may have killed Omegon, or even just an Alpha Legionnaire who looked like his gene-father

Conclusion: I'm not even going to touch that one.

 

Vulkan

Dissappeared into the Eye of Terror; prophecies say he will come back when the Imperium needs him most.

Conclusion: Dead, likely to return.

 

Corax

Dissappeared one day, speculated to have gone into the Eye as penance for creating and destroying the Weregeld

Conclusion: Dead. It would be easy for GW to bring him bck to life, in a similar style to that of Lysander, but for now, lets say he is dead.

 

Leman Russ

Embarked on a crusade into the Eye of Terror with his personal retinue; lore tells he claimed he would return "at the end of time. For the Wolftime."

Conclusion:Dead, likely to return

 

Jaghatai Khan

Dissappeared in the Webway, likely a captive of the Dark Eldar.

Conclusion: In similar style to Corax, Russ, and Vulkan, dead, but likely to return, Lysander-style.

 

Magnus the Red

Elevated to Daemon Princehood by patron god Tzeentch after Heresy

Conclusion: Alive

 

Perturabo

Elevated to Daemon Princehood by Chaos Undivided after Heresy

Conclusion:Alive

 

Lion El'Jonson

Critically wounded on Caliban fighting Luther, was saved by the remainder of the Dark Angels and interred within a secret chamber inside The Rock, protected by the Watchers in the Dark

Conclusion: Alive

 

 

There, I'm done my rant for the day. Have fun discussing this.

[Aegnor]

Re: Fulgrim

he was possessed by a daemon with his own soul trapped in an eternity of torment, not raised to a daemon prince.

[Wulfenstein]

As Fulgrim is my one of favorites in 40k.. I would like to chime in. I am almost positive he was elevated to deamon prince status. Yes he was possessed. Now he has a tiny cubicle too himself in his own body while the deamon has full control over body and soul. Slaanesh then elevated the deamon that took control to a deamon prince. Which would then explain his current serpentine look and multi arms. :lol:

 

And to stay on topic about Ferrus, I vote dead. Not that I have any conflicting interests in the matter ^ :P

[Aegnor]

That's not what happened, according to the text. It was made clear that Fulgrim lost out in that exchange and was reduced to a wailing prisoner in his own head, and that he knew he'd made a fatal mistake. Fulgrim is essentially gone, only the daemon - wearing Fulgrim's body - remains for all effects and purposes. That daemon no doubt was rewarded with 'promotion' to princehood, and now there is a daemon prince calling itself Fulgrim running around, but it isn't Fulgrim. It was this daemon that (virtually) killed Guilliman