Tabgoi Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 So I was rereading the Codex entries again (like time ten or so) and I noticed something. "the Blood Angels use Thunderhawk Transporters to drop them directly into the heart of Battle, trusting the tank's sturday nature to allow a safe landing for it and its crew." There was absolutely nothign mentioned about using grav chutes, or parachutes, or anything else to slow its fall. Now, a combat drop in current militaries takes place at 500 feet. I thought about this for a second and this is what I imagined went down when they came up with this plan, and let me know what you think. The Baal STC has just been found. Dante, Corbulo, Astorath, Mephiston, and Tycho are sitting in the situation room getting a report from the tech marines. Tech marine, "My lord, we have managed to accertain the methods the Baal template predators use to gain additional speed and have applied it to all our vehicles that use a similar pattern." Dante, "What of the Land Raiders? Could you increase their speed so that they can keep pace?" Tech Marine, "Sadly we could not my lord." Dante, "Then they will constantly be falling behind in the advance leaving our strongest forces at the rear of the line instead of the front where they should be. We must find a way to make up this shortfall." Tycho, "Screw it, just drop them out of Thunderhawks and be done with it." Corbulo, "That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You cannot just drop a Land Raider from the sky, you'll break it you lunk head." Dante just has his head in his hands shaking it slowly left and right. Mephiston, "Honored Bretheren, I do not beleive we have heard from our noble Tech Marines as to whether or not this is a possibility. Their counsle will probably be the most telling." Corbulo, "Seriously? Lord Dante you cannot even" Dante, "Well brother Tech marine, can it be done?" Tech Marine looking really uncomfortable, "My Lord, theoretically it is possible. I mean the structure and shock absorbers could possibly handle it, but it is not as if we have enough spare machine to risk the total destruction of one by dropping it from 500 feet to see if it happens to survive. I would not reccomend this course of action." Dante, "Then it is settled, we will have to find another way. Wait a minute, where did Brother Captain Tycho go?" Cut to the embarcation area. Tycho, "Yeah, just load that Land Raider up the ramp facing outwards and I want you to take me to combat drop altitude and open the rear hatch." Pilot, "My Lord?" Tycho, " Just do it." Back to the situation room. Corbulo, "Do you hear a Thunderhawk out front?" Everyone rushes to the window. Dante, "What in the world?" Cut to the back of a Thunder Hawk 500 feet above the main gate of the Fortress Monestary on Baal. Tycho, "I'm Johnny Knoxville and welcome to ^_^." Guns the Land Raider and takes it right out the back. The Land Raider falls the 500 feet and lands in a massive explossion of rock and sand, and then takes off at full speed none the worse for its journey. Comm cuts in, Tycho, "So who's the lunk head now? Told you it would work." Astorath, "I think we may need to reevaluate our position that he is fit to lead a company." Mephiston, "Well, he was right, that should count for something." Corbulo, "Are we seriously going to consider adding this as a tactic?" Dante, "Well, it worked and it solves the problem. Have the men try it in a full combat load and get them used to the idea before we try it in combat. If the rest of the Imperium did not think us mad before, this may well push their opinions the wrong way. Looks like we are going to have another talk with members of the Inquisition about the state of our geneseed after they catch wind of this." You know, or something similar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 ^_^ You owe me coke as it is now everywhere dear sir! But seriously though, this is how I imagine it. I know the T-hawk needs some work... http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee165/sonofwaranddeath/LandRaiderDeepStrike.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurrey Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Nice :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 That was a very amusing read. Thank you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 you do realize Tycho actually demanded Raiders were to go faster and then the tech priests delivered right? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Too much free time. G :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Weasel Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Too much free time. G :) One can never have enough free time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain Angel Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think that instead of 500 feet, they would go as low as they can. So the land raider would be dropped at the lowest point the Thunderhawk transporter could go, such as 1 foot above a city. but that is my opinion, these are marines we are talking about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I think that instead of 500 feet, they would go as low as they can. So the land raider would be dropped at the lowest point the Thunderhawk transporter could go, such as 1 foot above a city. but that is my opinion, these are marines we are talking about. I've seen C130's fly just above the ground, drop the ramp and roll out vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I think that instead of 500 feet, they would go as low as they can. So the land raider would be dropped at the lowest point the Thunderhawk transporter could go, such as 1 foot above a city. but that is my opinion, these are marines we are talking about. I've seen C130's fly just above the ground, drop the ramp and roll out vehicles. ^^^^^ <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcatus Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I think that instead of 500 feet, they would go as low as they can. So the land raider would be dropped at the lowest point the Thunderhawk transporter could go, such as 1 foot above a city. but that is my opinion, these are marines we are talking about. I've seen C130's fly just above the ground, drop the ramp and roll out vehicles. ^^^^^ ^_^ A good ol' fashioned LAPES drop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Well done, sir, well done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabgoi Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Thanks for the responses, this was mostly just to put a smile on people's faces. Kassill, love the pic man, sorry about the soda. C 130s, yes they can do this with some vehicles. Specifically they used to use them to deploy small squads of marines using the old jeeps. Reason being you could roll them out with thge clutch shoved in and the shift in fifth. You hit the ground slam the accelerator and release the clucth and hope for the best. My father used to do these things. Unfortunately since everything is an automatic now you cannot do this. Plus an uparmored humvee has too high of a center of gravity so once the wheels bit it would juke left or right and roll. They tried with unarmored and uparmored ones, the results make a great blooper reel. And no tanks, not even the Abrams which has a top speed of over 65 miles an hour making it one of the fastest tanks out there can do it as it would shred the gear box. They have done it with pallets now, but never with a crew inside. Reason being, a good portion of the time they roll and total whatever they tried it with, another hillarious blooper reel I used to have before a HD crash. As a little background, I spent some time at Fort Bragg, home of the 18th Airborne Corps and Special Forces Command. Best assignment I ever had, that post is great. Anyways, as to height of the drop, I have not seen anything saying a thunderhawk can do VTOL, though I could be wrong. For fixed wing without a lot of space you are not doing a touch off without a runway. So for city fights, forrests, broken terrain, not going to happen. Heck to drop them in a hive you are likely talking more then a thousand foot fall, far more. They would want to leave some clearance so a freak wind gust did not take it all out. Besides, technology in 40 is far behind current tech (other then their whole space thing and genertic mutations and what have you, I am talking weapons here) so likely they could not manage this. Having to stay stationary to fire all your weapons on a tank makes sense if you are Russia or the Middle East, but the M2 Abrams can run flat out and lose no accuracy with any weapon system onboard, day or night. Plus they can shot farther then tanks in 40k. Likelyhood they could pull off these manuevers mentioned for aircraft, not so good. Besides, they said drop, not shove out the back of a thunderhawk nearly on the ground. Drop implies fall. Fall implies funny. Plus applications of logic ruin the fun!! I will have zero logic in this thread!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Thanks for the responses, this was mostly just to put a smile on people's faces. Kassill, love the pic man, sorry about the soda. C 130s, yes they can do this with some vehicles. Specifically they used to use them to deploy small squads of marines using the old jeeps. Reason being you could roll them out with thge clutch shoved in and the shift in fifth. You hit the ground slam the accelerator and release the clucth and hope for the best. My father used to do these things. Unfortunately since everything is an automatic now you cannot do this. Plus an uparmored humvee has too high of a center of gravity so once the wheels bit it would juke left or right and roll. They tried with unarmored and uparmored ones, the results make a great blooper reel. And no tanks, not even the Abrams which has a top speed of over 65 miles an hour making it one of the fastest tanks out there can do it as it would shred the gear box. They have done it with pallets now, but never with a crew inside. Reason being, a good portion of the time they roll and total whatever they tried it with, another hillarious blooper reel I used to have before a HD crash. As a little background, I spent some time at Fort Bragg, home of the 18th Airborne Corps and Special Forces Command. Best assignment I ever had, that post is great. Anyways, as to height of the drop, I have not seen anything saying a thunderhawk can do VTOL, though I could be wrong. For fixed wing without a lot of space you are not doing a touch off without a runway. So for city fights, forrests, broken terrain, not going to happen. Heck to drop them in a hive you are likely talking more then a thousand foot fall, far more. They would want to leave some clearance so a freak wind gust did not take it all out. Besides, technology in 40 is far behind current tech (other then their whole space thing and genertic mutations and what have you, I am talking weapons here) so likely they could not manage this. Having to stay stationary to fire all your weapons on a tank makes sense if you are Russia or the Middle East, but the M2 Abrams can run flat out and lose no accuracy with any weapon system onboard, day or night. Plus they can shot farther then tanks in 40k. Likelyhood they could pull off these manuevers mentioned for aircraft, not so good. Besides, they said drop, not shove out the back of a thunderhawk nearly on the ground. Drop implies fall. Fall implies funny. Plus applications of logic ruin the fun!! I will have zero logic in this thread!!! Hehe, it's quite alright. My pic too was for laughs incase anyone was wondering. I had slapped it together when I heard a bunch of powergamers on some different boards whining about the idea of DS Land Raiders. No logic into it other than what I had heard about those low drops the 130 does. Oh, and glad you had a good stay at Bragg! Im like 3 hours from there ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBaals Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Tycho, "I'm Johnny Knoxville and welcome to ;)." This made me laugh pretty hard. Astorath questioning his position was a pretty solid reference too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashen Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Nice read, really enjoyed it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 lol great story, well done :D Tycho rules! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 But seriously though, this is how I imagine it. *snip* You spelled "fastah" wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone 66 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 That was just too funny. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Ahte to be a party pooper - but the Baal STC was found in the Creat Crusade. I dont think even Dante claims to be that old... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Ahte to be a party pooper - but the Baal STC was found in the Creat Crusade. I dont think even Dante claims to be that old... Of course not. He's too humble to brag. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I think that instead of 500 feet, they would go as low as they can. So the land raider would be dropped at the lowest point the Thunderhawk transporter could go, such as 1 foot above a city. but that is my opinion, these are marines we are talking about. I've seen C130's fly just above the ground, drop the ramp and roll out vehicles. ^^^^^ :unsure: A good ol' fashioned LAPES drop. This would explain why the LR can shoot in the turn it arrives but can't move. The clamps fastening the pallet to the vehicle need to be removed. While not that great a game tactic, deep striking land raiders would look awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 But seriously though, this is how I imagine it. *snip* You spelled "fastah" wrong. ;) It seems so! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 anyone else thinking of the ateam hee? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Now I do. Not so sure though if lascannons would work well for steering the LR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220919-just-noticed-this-in-the-land-raider-entry/#findComment-2638851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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