Ashur Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I finally read it. Beside the fact it is one of the best books of the serie, I have a small doubt. According to the dramatis personae, Sevatar is the first captain of the night lords. I thought that was the Talonmaster. Am I wrong ? Also, excelent work on the best sentence ever said in the entire series. I'm talking about the ironic response the IW captain give the WB. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Sevatar is the pre-heresy first captain whereas Zso Sahaal is the 1st Company Captain - the 'Talonmaster'. They are basically just two different positions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2640733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Well for the very short appearance Sevatar made in TFH I hope he gets 1st captaincy since he is more badass than Sahaal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2641101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Sevatar is the First Captain before and during the Heresy. Sahaal is the First Captain right after it. In 31k-40k, no Legion has a First Captain anymore. In the Horus Heresy, some people died. Especially on the team that lost. Otherwise, they'd have won. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2641185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortemer Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 You could still consider Typhon 1st captain (not that he is - but he could be considered as such). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2641305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Sevatar is the First Captain before and during the Heresy. Sahaal is the First Captain right after it. In 31k-40k, no Legion has a First Captain anymore. In the Horus Heresy, some people died. Especially on the team that lost. Otherwise, they'd have won. :) Thank you for that A-D-B. Brought a smile to my face. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2641521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Sevatar is the First Captain before and during the Heresy. Sahaal is the First Captain right after it. In 31k-40k, no Legion has a First Captain anymore. In the Horus Heresy, some people died. Especially on the team that lost. Otherwise, they'd have won. Hope you write a novel about the fate of sevatar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2641588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglefists13 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 He must of been killed quite early after the Night Lords renounced their loyalties. As Zso was present when the Assassin killed Kurze, and was supposed to of taken the helm of the Night Lords at this point then Sevatar must of gone before that, although when would be a mystery the Night Lords went on a rampage through the Imperium during the Heresy and im abit unsure as to the timeline of when he was killed, during or after the Heresy? (Kurze that is ) The Night Lords were never at Terra were they? Any help would be greatly received, we know they were present at Istvann and got orders to harass and destroy imperial outposts, and we know at some point they went back home. He may of perished at Istvann? What we do need is a dark brooding moody book done by someone capable and get some answers for a change. Not that i'm a massive fan but the vain glorious nature of the First 3 books and Fulgrim/First heretic in the portrayal of the Primarch and the worshipping that goes on needs a counterweight, ie misery and doom (Perty and Konny) Thanks for the input ADB, hope you mean we will get to find out, would love to see retribution from the Emperors Champion and thats how Sevatar bites the dust, there have been hints that Sigismund did some pretty heroic deeds and killings and that the Fists went on a crusade to root out the cancerous traitor legions. We know that the Alphas squared off against the Ultras, the other legions were nursing heavy losses (Wolves?/Iron Hands?/Scars?/) We know that after the crusade the Fists got bit off a bit more than they could chew against the Iron Warriors but what did they do in the meantime? The Emperors Children and World eaters squared off against each other (Skalathrax)and thats were they both lost their functioning ability and the others not mentioned had already departed to the eye of terror. So fingers crossed that we get more, more and more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2641656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 There you go ADB, that's your next 30 years mapped out for you! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2641780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Kurze was killed after the heresy. Part of me wants to say 200 years after but I don't know why, I'm sure someone else will have a better idea but it's definitely post-heresy. There's a good gap in which the change over can take place anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2641837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Kurze was killed after the heresy. Part of me wants to say 200 years after but I don't know why, I'm sure someone else will have a better idea but it's definitely post-heresy. There's a good gap in which the change over can take place anyway. This'll get covered in the Night Lords series, too. I know that, because in Blood Reaver there's a Tsagualsa flashback after the Heresy, where, um, it gets covered. Not the exact times and dates, but the reaction after Sevatar is gone, and what First Company does in his wake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2641974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashur Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Thanks a lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2642131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Styphus Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Oh A-D-B, your posts should automatically become blacked out with the spoiler text. Sometimes fans enjoy coming to these conclusions without the help of a living BL walkthrough Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2642141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDarmy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 how soon can we see Blood Reaver? not to hijack a post though.. Finished First Heretic last week. by far my favorite Heresy Novel so far. Second is Thousand Sons.. but I just picked up Prospero Burns so well see how that does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2642142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The BL site says May so about April time. They always get released about 1 month earlier than what the site says. EDIT: In stores that is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2642172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I thought Blood Reaver was an audio book? <_< someone please correct me I hope it's not so I will be able to enjoy it :mellow: (I don't like audio books) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2642736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Blood Reaver is not a audiobook, it's a softback novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2642743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Throne of Lies was the audio book. It's very good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2642807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 that's good. Looks like I'm getting Blood Reaver then :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2644001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Just finished TFH, and I can't get off feeling that it's somehow different than other books in HH series. I'd like to hear your thoughts about some points, and some answers... First of all, I completely lost with all those chapters and captains... There are chapters, divided into companies. Argel Tal was a captain of 7th company of Serrated Sun chapter, but why Kor Phaeron is 1st Captain without chapter?... Or it's just title name, similar to Lord Commander of Emperor's Children or Warsmith of Iron Warriors? Next one... It absolutely the best description of possession I've ever encountered. I even decided to add few interesting models to my Possessed squads... But it feels like there are too many facts... It was written somewhere that Ultramarines were the largest legion, but we could only guess it's size by number of second founding chapters, which were about 38 recorded chapters, if I remember correctly. But now we know exact number of Word Bearers, and Ultramarines are a way bigger... Next one, we never knew how mechanicus tech works, it was like "tech, somehow similar to our electronics". But now we know exactly that it really was electronics. We only guessed which Primarch is stronger than other, now we know exactly that Lorgar is weak, Corax is strong enough but he is afraid of Curze. It's understandable after Curze almost killed Dorn, but still... And of course Sevatar made me wonder too :cuss already can't wait to get Blood Reaver and read a bit more about him and Sahaal. PS: and one last question... wasn't Curze using jump pack?... Or maybe he have one in his personal armoury but was not using it on Istvaan V? Like Corax dropped his one before getting into "Raven's Flight"... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2702266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradill Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Just finished TFH, and I can't get off feeling that it's somehow different than other books in HH series. I'd like to hear your thoughts about some points, and some answers... First of all, I completely lost with all those chapters and captains... There are chapters, divided into companies. Argel Tal was a captain of 7th company of Serrated Sun chapter, but why Kor Phaeron is 1st Captain without chapter?... Or it's just title name, similar to Lord Commander of Emperor's Children or Warsmith of Iron Warriors? I'm more than happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, but I believe the company numbering is linear throughout the legion (I.E 1-40) with each company belonging to a particular chapter. So where as the seventh company belonged to the serrated sun, they aren't a company of that chapter, but a company affiliated with that chapter. Hope this helps Paradill Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2702353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Certainly didn't get the impression that Corax was afraid of Curze. As to who was stronger of the two, bear in mind Corax had just fought his way through half an army and another Primarch. If he showed any trepidation, it might have been based partly on a degree of fatigue which you wouldn't want going in against another Primarch. And ive been very happy to accept the clarification from ADB that Lorgar isn't absolutely a weakling, but rather a bit lost through TFH - and that his whomping by Corax is going to be pivotal to him unleashing and realizing his potential. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2702696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Corax wasn't afraid of Curze. he was just being smart. two against one is not good odds. Curze knew that it would be a tough fight if he went after Corax alone (even after all the punishment that Corax has had) and that is why he didn't pursue him or stop him from leaving Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221112-question-about-the-first-heretic/#findComment-2707771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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