EPK Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 While The Purging of Kadillus obviously shows that they are in fact the Emperor's Finest - the Astartes, it also shows that they are not invincible (and at least a few parts show that they do not forget their human origins). I think it gives the Orks credit where credit is due for the most part and by using the Free Militia forces as a nice way to justify why so few marines are sometimes able to deal with overwhelming numbers of Orks (some SM fluff can get a little out of hand on occasion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Gav does make the mistake of referencing Sammael as the Master of the Ravenwing, rather than properly referencing Gideon who was the Master of the Ravenwing at that time. The sad part is, both current masters of the RW and DW are specifically noted for reference in the Storm of Vengeance campaign. And oversight of course, but I have to assume he referenced it. Plus, in the story, Sgt Orpheus (i think thats how its spelt, i dont have the book on me right now) is a power fist wielding devastator sergeant, whereas in the order of battle at the back of the book he is depicted as being sergeant of a bike squadron. I know it states that field promotions and scratch units were formed over the course of the battle, but that seems like too much of a random departure to be intentional. Darkchild Actually, and I also had a double take, but the two names are spelled differently. Take another look, very smiliar yet different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOfDeathXIII Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I haven't read any other Dark Angel books but I did enjoy the fact that while the Fallen are mentioned (which clarifies some things as I have zero experience with Dark Angels... Only their rivalry with the Space Wolves) they don't overwhelm the story. Naaman looks like the perfect Space Marine to me. He knows his task, he is prepared to die doing his duty and he doesn't forget his origin (as some Astartes seem to look down on humans). I think Sergeant Aquila's death was quite awesome.. I never would have expected a battlewagon to blow up due to a chainsword. I also liked the battle at the mines. It showed how inspiring Astartes can be to ordinary humans. I also liked the fragments written from the perspective of Ghagzhull. And I must admit that I waked my entire family up by laughing when one of the Scouts exclaimed: 'Emperor's hairy arse!" To conclude this post.... A picture of my (signed) copy of the book :woot: and of me and Gav at the Games Workshop in Amsterdam. http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/055/d/1/purging_of_kadillus_by_reinoutjansen-d3ab4xn.jpg http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/030/a/8/me_and_gav_thorpe_id_by_reinoutjansen-d38dl1h.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Neo Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 you have no idea how many times i have said that line instead of swearing since reading this book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Very cool AngelOfDeathXIII. And if that photo is any indication of how the rest of the store looks, I can imagine it's quite a sight as far as decor goes. I have questions though, are you from Holland (or just traveling)? If so, are there many Denver Broncos there? lol. Naaman looks like the perfect Space Marine to me. He knows his task, he is prepared to die doing his duty and he doesn't forget his origin (as some Astartes seem to look down on humans). I totally agree. For instance, though Boreas still tried to inspire them, he had no problem talking down on them as soon as he was out of earshot. I don't see Naaman reacting the same way. Perhaps in part it is due to his work with the 10th Company where aspirants come and train, still completely human before they start down their path to becoming Astartes (of course who knows if that was what Gav Thorpe was thinking when he put life to the character). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOfDeathXIII Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Very cool AngelOfDeathXIII. And if that photo is any indication of how the rest of the store looks, I can imagine it's quite a sight as far as decor goes. I have questions though, are you from Holland (or just traveling)? If so, are there many Denver Broncos there? lol. Naaman looks like the perfect Space Marine to me. He knows his task, he is prepared to die doing his duty and he doesn't forget his origin (as some Astartes seem to look down on humans). I totally agree. For instance, though Boreas still tried to inspire them, he had no problem talking down on them as soon as he was out of earshot. I don't see Naaman reacting the same way. Perhaps in part it is due to his work with the 10th Company where aspirants come and train, still completely human before they start down their path to becoming Astartes (of course who knows if that was what Gav Thorpe was thinking when he put life to the character). The store is a great sight (although I've only been there twice). I have visited 3 or 4 "real" Games Workshops and this was the best. By a long shot. I am from Holland but also travelling :mellow: I come from a city called "Nijmegen" close to the German border.. So it was about a one-and-a-half hour journey to Amsterdam. It is a shame but there are very little Bronco fans out here. As a matter of fact there are very little American Football fans. I'm on of the 9000 people who watch the Superbowl, one of the several hunderd who play the sport and one of the few dozen Bronco's fans (and Blood Bowl players ;)). It is also funny to see how Ophrael changes his opinion on humans. At first he talks down on them. How bolters and power-armour would be wasted on them (true but still xD) And after Tauro leeds their charge he starts to respect him. (I was half-hoping they would take him with them to become the twenthy-eight "Naaman".) And at Grand Master Neo. Do you say "Emperor's hairy arse" or "For the Lion". I usually just stick with "Throne-damnit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I really enjoyed it. I will try to write a proper review at some point for the Librarium, but I thought it was a good depiction of a typical Astartes campaign, through information gathering to execution. Even to the extent of depicting what Marines do when their plans fail. It was nice to get a sense of the strategy and broad sweep of the campaign - you don't often get that in a Black Library book (understandably, given that they focus on a few characters, who are often part of a massive conflict). I also agree about it being refreshing to see the DA do something other than chase the Fallen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Neo Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 And at Grand Master Neo. Do you say "Emperor's hairy arse" or "For the Lion". I usually just stick with "Throne-damnit" that's a new one i think i'm going to have to start using as well. problem is i work in a call centre so can't really shout profanities too loud :lol: as for NFL it's just rugby with pads, that's why being a welshman i play the proper game (although we're not doing too well at the moment) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOfDeathXIII Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 This is hardly the place to discuss this but no.. NFL is not rugby with pads. I don't know how you guys play rugby but when I practiced with the local rugby team once they kept yelling at me for making hits that were "dangerous" and "illegal" while in football they are considered normal. And try to imagine the difference between pushing each other and crashing into each other with 40 miles an hour... And too bad you can't shout profanities at work. My boss (Egyptian) has done nothing but cursing in Arabic for the last couple of weeks so he doesn't really mind. ;) Oh and because of this book I'm thinking about adding some Ravenwing squads to my Blood Angel force. Just because their awesome (and the Blood Angels resent the use of bikes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient god Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Dangit, I now know what's going to happen roughly five pages from where I'm in the book now. Why am I reading this thread instead of the book?! Gah. Too damn curious for my own good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOfDeathXIII Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Dangit, I now know what's going to happen roughly five pages from where I'm in the book now. Why am I reading this thread instead of the book?! Gah. Too damn curious for my own good... Happens to the best of us. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I'm almost done, and must say it's pretty good. I've never painted my old Naaman model, but have a sudden urge to. Though I'll admit that it's a bit small and considering he's a full marine, they need to 1: bring his character back and 2: make a new awesome model for him. Kinda off topic here but don't bother with Prospero Burns. I had to force myself to read a 115 pages into it sucked so bad. Bounced all over, and when I start skimming ahead to find relevance I couldn't find it. I had to put it down for Purging, maybe I'll force myself to finish but............... (edit for sentence structure) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Kinda off topic but here but don't bother with Prospero Burns. I had to force myself to read a 115 pages into it sucked so bad. Bounced all over, and when I start skimming ahead to find relevance I couldn't find it. I had to put it down for Purging, maybe I'll force myself to finish but............... I'm only 40 pages in and it certainly is already bouncing around. : ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pueriexdeus Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Kinda off topic but here but don't bother with Prospero Burns. I had to force myself to read a 115 pages into it sucked so bad. Bounced all over, and when I start skimming ahead to find relevance I couldn't find it. I had to put it down for Purging, maybe I'll force myself to finish but............... I'm only 40 pages in and it certainly is already bouncing around. : ( I actually enjoyed Prospero Burns. Now I will have to say that IMO it was more of a psycho thriller as opposed to the Bolter Porn Sci Fi most readers are used to. A unique view of the Space Wolves by a human whose destiny is intertwined for life. At first I was wondering when we were going to get into the burning of Prosrero, once I realized the true nature of the book I enjoyed it even more. Having read all 15 books so far I will say it is my favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Dangit, I now know what's going to happen roughly five pages from where I'm in the book now. Why am I reading this thread instead of the book?! Gah. Too damn curious for my own good... Happens to the best of us. :P And the rest of us :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Priest Haelaeif Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I finished reading it yesterday, and I think it was a great read. I even felt the action scenes were quite good, having doubted Gav's ability there before. What I really liked most about it were two things. First, believable and also different characters. Too often, BL authors characterize all SMs the same, giving each only one unique opinion or something like that. Nick Kyme, for example, is prone to the rival brothers plot, where both are actually the same, except one guy is the baddie who looks down on humans and considers their lives worthless, while the other is the hero and always tries to save them, which gets him into tight spots. Which, to be honest, gets boring after five minutes. Gav managed to write each of the main characters differently. I liked Boreas and Namaan most. Boreas is a dogmatic, pedantic chaplain, who also sometimes notices he takes things a bit too far (walking back from the attack on the ork truck at the relay station, for example). I also really liked how he dressed down the speeder crew when they did not believe their sensors. Namaan is the archetype of the inconvenient sergeant, but Gav does not overdo it, as is often the case, but keeps him reasonable and focused on their objective. He does not disobey orders, but tries to convince Belial of his own view. What was really good about him was also that Gav did not make Aquila and Namaan rivals. At first it seemed Namaan would become the cool guy and Aquila the dumb dogmatic idiot, but instead they were believable disagreeing brothers. And the second thing I liked has already been mentioned: the military aspect. It is entirely realistic, strategically. yes, there are a few decisions that could be arguable, but it does all make sense. I most liked the final assault on East Barrens, where, refreshingly, the commander did not jump out of his command vehicle at his first chance, stopping to coordinate the battle in order to look good while hacking a few orks limb from limb. Instead, like a real company commander, he left the fighting to his troops and did his job: coordinate and make decisions, only joining the fighting himself when he actually had time for that. Overall, great read, and I am glad there are a few good writers at BL after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 As most pf you guys know I dont harbour much love for the DA's being a SW player myself. However I did enjoy this book and loved the Way Gav used known characters like Boreus and Nestor. The best bits for me were SGT Naaman and his free thinking attitude and the way he taught the scouts along the way. How could they have let him die?? He was the original badass scout sgt way before Telion. Unless like he stated he was the 17th scout sgt (or was it DA0 to bear the name Naaman?? Just like the title cypher so maybe the Real Naaman is still alive? Anyway I was not overly impressed by Belial but liked the fact that the book was written from different perspectives. It showed a slightly more human side to the DA which I felt has been lacking for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Unless like he stated he was the 17th scout sgt (or was it DA0 to bear the name Naaman?? Just like the title cypher so maybe the Real Naaman is still alive? Nope. It is required upon becoming a Dark Angel to leave behind your past, and choosing a new name is likely a part of that. You are no longer Kothgor the headhunter from Kimmeria, but Azrael, someday to be Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels. The Space Wolves also change their names from what they were in "mortal" life to wht they are when they become marines, and there are examples of it in Prospero Burns. Also, you should be all into Dark Angels. Not as a collector/player mind you, but as a rival. It was very hard for me to resit getting a token Space Wolves force("token" for me would be 2,000-3,000 points of them :blink:) when the latest minis came out. Very hard indeed. But, I managed to stave off the AGOCADD(Adult-Gamer-Obsessive-Compulsive-Attention-Deficit-Disorder) effect that time. That I have a bazillion other things to work on instead helped a bit in that regard. I think you highlighted what most people will like(and dislike) about the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 @ Shabbadoo As a SW player i did indeed also have a small collection of 2nd edition DA's plus codex. I still follow them closely from a Fluff point of view. I know apon becoming DA they change their name. This is genrally due top the fact that they recruit from various planets (not having a homeworld) and its a way to strenthen the ties of the battle brothers who unlike the SW or Ultra or BA all come from one world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 How could they have let him die?? He was the original badass scout sgt way before Telion. Well, it's been known that he died there since the original campaign pack, and since Thorpe was following that, he had to kill him off. :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shadow Guard Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 As most pf you guys know I dont harbour much love for the DA's being a SW player myself. However I did enjoy this book and loved the Way Gav used known characters like Boreus and Nestor. The best bits for me were SGT Naaman and his free thinking attitude and the way he taught the scouts along the way. How could they have let him die?? He was the original badass scout sgt way before Telion. Unless like he stated he was the 17th scout sgt (or was it DA0 to bear the name Naaman?? Just like the title cypher so maybe the Real Naaman is still alive? Anyway I was not overly impressed by Belial but liked the fact that the book was written from different perspectives. It showed a slightly more human side to the DA which I felt has been lacking for a long time. So you're saying that you have a beef with the Dark Angels? ^_^ Gav also kills off Boreas and Nestor in the subsequent Angels of Darkness novel... Naaman is the 17th scout sergeant to hold that name so there will be the next Naaman leading his scouts even after the events of Piscina. SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 How could they have let him die?? He was the original badass scout sgt way before Telion. Well, it's been known that he died there since the original campaign pack, and since Thorpe was following that, he had to kill him off. :D Ok I did not relise that. Fair enough then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerociousBeast Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Just finished The Purging of Kadillus today. I loved it! And I don't, in general, love Black Library books. It was such a breath of fresh air after the overwrought, angsty emo of the Horus Heresy novels I've read lately. And it was science fiction, not fantasy. Good old Gav. I even enjoyed the action, which is a first for Gav's novels. SPOILERS FOLLOW I greatly enjoyed the Belial sections, and I don't think it cast Belial in a bad light at all. His handling of the assault on the East Barrens site was great, and I really enjoyed that whole sequence. Man, what a welcome change from the usual BL fare. Usually BL writers follow their commanders with what I call "sword-point narration", where the supposed tactical commander of an engagement is too busy sticking his sword in his opponents' faces to bother with giving commands or coordinating an assault. Not in TPoK! All BL writers should be required to read this book and take notes. The Naaman sections were decent, but I actually found them a little lacking in comparison to some of the others. For one thing, I don't think the book makes the case that Naaman is a hero strongly enough. Yes, he does willingly go on a suicide mission, but so does Damas. Yes, he does find the Ork teleporter, but he also loses all credibility by making a completely bone-headed decision by ordering his six-man Scout squad to attack 2 trukks and a battlewagon full of Orks. Getting all of his students and a 4-man Ravenwing squadron killed! Mumbling something incoherent about not letting Orks get between them and Koth Ridge, blah blah blah. That part seriously stretched my credulity, but the rest of the book was good enough that I can forgive it. There were some interesting throwbacks to 2nd edition: An Assault Squad armed with more power weapons than just the Sergeant's; Devastator Squad armed with autocannons; displacer field (what happens if the displacer field throws its wearer into the ground or a wall?); chaplain ranks from Codex Angels of Death. In fact, I thought the book should have paid a little more attention to the 4th edition Codex Dark Angels. Calling Azrael Grand Master instead of Supreme Grand Master, putting Belial in a Rhino rather than Razorback, etc. Overall, a great book, and I'm glad I read it. Well done, Gav! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shadow Guard Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Just finished The Purging of Kadillus today. I loved it! And I don't, in general, love Black Library books. It was such a breath of fresh air after the overwrought, angsty emo of the Horus Heresy novels I've read lately. And it was science fiction, not fantasy. Good old Gav. I even enjoyed the action, which is a first for Gav's novels. I'll second that. I really liked the book so much I went on to read the others in he series.... Rynn's Worlds was also very good and ADB's helsreach excellent... Just started on Hunt for Voldorius..... I'll definitely getthe rest of the "battles" series... I think the Battle for the fang is due next... SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly_bear Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 As some of you know I'm a IF and Cf painter/collector and gamer....but I read most of all the SM novels....and I'm just getting past the bit where Belial has headed east with the 80+ marines left and now has sent a squad back for being injured.....now I have a problem when it comes to other chapter novels come out cause i just wanna paint an collect that army.....hunt for voldorius made me wanna collect RG but stopped my self....but reading 'the purging of Kalidus' I found my self being drawn to the DA slot more than before....their story of betrayal and redemption is great and I find this book VERY seductive lol Naams story was, for me, fantastic....some 40K Rambo....but I didn't realise how much plasma weapons the DA use lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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